Doing it for Oracle because he's a nice guy and I'm a nice guy. In the Wikipedia article you linked, it says that the US and, by extension NATO backs the Turkish side of events, both from seeing the data presented and comparing it to US intelligence of the area. Here is a very short article that says the same thing. As for the plane not responding to the warnings given by Turkish tower operators, it appears that the radio frequency used cannot be picked up by standard equipment that is installed in the plane and needs optional equipment to be able to be monitored. This fact shifts blame from the Russian pilot himself to the Russian government (or whoever it is that decides what gets installed in planes).
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare
Doing it for Oracle because he's a nice guy and I'm a nice guy
hey,are you implying i'm not? xp
Anyway i asked for a source because the way oracle had written his message it seemed biased towards a side,just wanted to see a source supporting that.
Also the janes.com article you posted is not complete,it says i must make an account and login to read the full article,can you copy-paste it?
Originally Posted by Oracle
If the plane was flying over Turkish airspace, which it was, and it wasn't authorized to fly there, which it wasn't, and it wasn't responding to radio hails, which it wasn't, then Turkey was justified in shooting the plane down. That's not hostile, that's standard protocol for unidentified aircraft flying in your country's airspace. The Russian pilot should have never been there, and could have responded to communications, and either situation would have avoided it being shot down.
It was within legal limits, and it was shot down over Syria once it had already exited Turkish airspace. This also makes them implicit in the killing of the Russian pilot.
It was neither legal nor reasonable for Turkey to shoot down the plane.
I wonder if Turkey would be fine if Greece (for example) shot down the Turkish planes which often violate their airspace. (hint: of course they wouldn't, it's absurd to attack and kill without restraint)
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by nikosefs
Also the janes.com article you posted is not complete,it says i must make an account and login to read the full article,can you copy-paste it?
I don't have access to the full article either, but the part that I wanted to highlight (the third paragraph) is able to be seen.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
It was within legal limits, and it was shot down over Syria once it had already exited Turkish airspace. This also makes them implicit in the killing of the Russian pilot.
It was neither legal nor reasonable for Turkey to shoot down the plane.
Not true. The plane was hit while it was still in Turkish airspace. While a US official said the heat signatures suggested it was hit after it had already left, a week later the official statement was that Turkey's version of events was deemed correct, including the part where the aircraft was fired upon while still violating Turkish airspace.
Last edited by hawkesnightmare; Mar 18, 2016 at 09:33 PM.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare
Not true. The plane was hit while it was still in Turkish airspace. While a US official said the heat signatures suggested it was hit after it had already left, a week later the official statement was that Turkey's version of events was deemed correct, including the part where the aircraft was fired upon while still violating Turkish airspace.
Of course there is no way to know if NATO supported Turkey on principle or if it was actually because the data was correct... (I remember the phrase "a ritual of NATO unity")
It's unlikely that Turkey could have made the kill during the 17 second window they claim. Nevertheless, they did so knowing that the downed plane would be crashing into hostile territory.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
