Toribash
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Clan League 2018


It's finally here! sorry! Gather your clan mates, wake up the inactive and get ready for Clan League 2018!
Time is now for your clan to rise up and usurp the belt from Alpha.
Will the conquest of Alpha be over? Or will they reign victorious for another year?




Rules for participation are as follows:

•Anyone found to be in multiple rosters on alternate accounts will be punished. This includes being in several accounts in one roster
•Failure to organise matches will result in disqualification for both clans, unless one clan has been shown to be making more effort.*
•Reporting match scores should include the score clearly, a list of participants and all replays.

*Not including group phase*





This year we're doing a dual phase tournament, this means a group stage and a final stage.

Within your groups you will do a round robin, fighting each clan twice.
The top two clans per group will advance to the final stage, except for the two clans with the least points.
This brings 27 clans down to 16 for the final knockout stage.
The final stage will be a standard single elimination, with a reverse gradient seed (eg starting with 1st vs 16th, 2nd vs 15th, 3rd vs 14th and so on.)


The rules for the quarter finals phase are as follows:
  • A single player can play no more than 3 different modes.
  • A single player can play no more than 5 matches in total.
  • A single player can play no more than 3 matches per mod.
  • Deadline for the quarter finals will be October 7th.
  • 5 Different modes, 5 matches each round, best of 25 (or first to 13).


Modes:

Lenshu3ng.tbm
Taekkyon.tbm
judofrac.tbm
aikidobigdojo.tbm
boxshu_mushu_v3.tbm










Group stage matches


Positionings (greyed out teams are disqualified)









== Won by Alpha ==
•Your clan's own custom 3D item made by our item forgers*
•A clan achievement trophy
•A year of Toriprime and wibbles*
•A choice of any item available to purchase in the shop.* (Excluding subscriptions, collector items and packs)
•12 Shiai Tokens*
•400,000 Toricredits



== Won by Obey ==
•A choice of any item available to purchase in the shop.* (Excluding subscriptions, collector items and packs)
•6 months Toriprime and wibbles*
•6 Shiai tokens*
•200,000 Toricredits


== Won by Undead ==
•A choice of any item available to purchase in the shop* (Excluding subscriptions, collector items, packs, elite tier items and misc textures)
•3 Shiai Tokens*
•100,000 Toricredits

*Items marked with an asterisk are given to each member of a clan*
To qualify for prizes you must have played at least 3 games.




We recommend you use discord to organise your matches, you can find a link to the official toribash server here
Feel free to organise matches in your own servers, or however you see fit.


Last edited by sir; Oct 11, 2018 at 10:18 PM. Reason: Finals
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Originally Posted by neko View Post

[SIZE="4"]Rules for participation are as follows:

•Anyone found to be in multiple rosters on alternate accounts will be punished. This includes being in several accounts in one roster


@hat, if we are talking about following cl rules

Originally Posted by Cheshyre View Post
Hey fellas!

I've noticed the matches with Alpha, have been going well. So gg's so far good luck!

In regards to this Felnin problem, I'm noticing quite a few issues in regards to how/when/why this is being brought up and how it's being handled. And even, how relevant it is.

Firstly, staff is mentioning Felnin played matches for Desolate on an alt, and due to this he is unable to play for Obey and his matches should be forfeit.

However, in the very few (two) posts I could find even regarding matches that Desolate played, the evidence was extremely scarce. Furthermore, it would appear, according to the fact that 0 of the matches Desolate played for CL were counted in the Group Stage of Clan League, that they were DQ'd in the Group Stage.

This would lead me to believe that since no matches were counted for Desolate, due to the fact that they were DQ'd, that this particular argument may be a non-issue.

Since I assume these rules are in place to keep Clan League fair, and we're looking for issues that are going to directly effect outcomes of the entire tournament, worrying about matches that weren't counted played over a month ago for a Clan that was DQ'd may not be entirely relevant.

Secondly, is the timing in which this is being brought up.

We are in the literal last matches of CL, in the finals, hours away from the finals being decided. The application process for CL, during which staff looked over alts in each clan for about 5 days, occurred about 2-3 months ago. This is as last minute as it could possibly get. Staff have had about (as previously mentioned) 2-3 months to notice, what you admit was an ES mistake. Being quite direct, that's an incredibly long time.

No matter the reasoning for why this was noticed just now, it's simply too late. So many matches have been played up until now, so much time has passed (2-3 months) and the entire event almost ended before you noticed this problem. It really is just far too late to make this ruling, no matter the reasoning, Obey shouldn't be punished for the ES's negligence and last minute rulings. As Hatt has previously mentioned we did our due diligence in ensuring the members playing for Obey were allowed to do so, and we were given the green light (as evidence by the fact we passed the application process). I understand there are rules, but this fact, combined with the fact that Desolate's matches didn't even count makes me heavily question this decision.

And even moreso, the way this is being presented is quite odd I have to say. Assuming this ruling was made not as last minute as it most certainly is, and assuming Desolate's matches had even the slightest effect on Clan Leagues' outcome, it is still rather baffling to me that ES would find it wise to discount the wins Felnin had accrued in these recent matches, but keep his losses. This is just plain wrong, as you have mentioned before it was an ES mistake. If that is the case, every match including his losses should be replayed as it was not a fault of Alpha,TGS, or Obey. This just feels to me, as though this decision was made extremely last minute (which it most certainly was) and Obey is getting the raw end of the deal because of it.

There has been no accounting for the fact that Desolate's matches didn't even count in the Group Stage. There has been no accounting for the fact that this decision was made hours before finals would have ended. And furthermore the way the ruling has been handled up until this point has been questionable to say the least.

I appreciate that ES is taking full responsibility and whatnot, but it's just far too late to make this kind of ruling, and it's also not even remotely relevant as far as Desolate is concerned as proven by my points above.

I'm not even going to get into how we directly contacted staff members previously regarding alts in our clan, or how other situations in CL have been handled up until this point.

I'd really like this ruling to simply be reversed, and allow us to finish our matches with Alpha as we planned to do literally today.

(these correspond with each bold within the quote from top to bottom. i think)

Scarce evidence, isn't non existent evidence.

No matter if the matches were DQ'ed or not he still played them.

Because the matches did not count does not mean it was within the rules to play for two different clans.

Does not matter what time the rule breaking is discovered if it is discovered, and im sure that also includes after the cl was over already.

saying that its too late to make this type of ruling is like saying its too late to arrest a robber who was caught from video evidence after the fact.

Staff is for sure at part to blame and I am glad they take responsibility, but if you fellows knew he had played for a different clan already you should have gone with the safe route and not have let him play in the first place, considering you went out of your way to get more than one confirmation from ES means that you fellows knew it might be a risk. So a fault on both parts, even if ES or reta does take full responsibility...



but thats just my 2 cents
You're legit just taking some words out and just rewording them in your own way??
It's too late to arrest a robber who was caught from the video??, this has no correlation to this
@all

i don't know what happened behind, but if i understood correctly he was given the green light? if this should be the case.. then this last ruling is just wow

anyways now to my perspective of facts & opinions:

rules:
1. if 1 guy should be detected in 2 clans and is in the roster of each → DQ for both clans
2. Changing the roster after cl started is illegal! → DQ

critic and opinons
to the last minute ruling by reta:
1. its totally unfair that loss is count as point and every game should be replayed in my opinion tbh
2. the idea with TGS is totally fair aswell and the idea if tgs should win those 2 games it will end up into a best of 3 in judofrac fair enough for both sides


another thing now... if you really gave the the green light then the last minute rule is a joke, becuz it would be like if i had a lemonade stand and would give anybody a lemonde and say it is for free and then calling the police after they drunk it and say that they had to pay
But i have no clue what happened behind and if its true with the green light so... thats why i hold out myself of this discussion

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Last edited by BlueEvil; Oct 7, 2018 at 11:54 PM.

Water Melon, Fire Melon, Earth Melon, Air Melon... The ELEMELONS!
i think it's unfair that tinerr said it was fine for felnin to play, then obey gets punished for it.

We should just continue the CL as normal, at 10-7 score, because there's no way in hell I want to fight yet another clan war. I have things to do, and put my life on hold for this.

Otherwise, DQ obey completely and give TGS 2nd place because it's 100% their fault for inviting felnin, and felnin knew he was in another clan because he played for that clan in CL.
Last edited by McFarbo; Oct 8, 2018 at 01:18 AM.
Originally Posted by McFarbo View Post
i think it's unfair that tinerr said it was fine for felnin to play, then obey gets punished for it.

We should just continue the CL as normal, at 10-7 score, because there's no way in hell I want to fight yet another clan war. I have things to do, and put my life on hold for this.

Otherwise, DQ obey completely and give TGS 2nd place because it's 100% their fault for inviting felnin, and felnin knew he was in another clan because he played for that clan in CL.

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