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[SIZE="4"]Rules for participation are as follows:
•Anyone found to be in multiple rosters on alternate accounts will be punished. This includes being in several accounts in one roster
Hey fellas!
I've noticed the matches with Alpha, have been going well. So gg's so far good luck!
In regards to this Felnin problem, I'm noticing quite a few issues in regards to how/when/why this is being brought up and how it's being handled. And even, how relevant it is.
Firstly, staff is mentioning Felnin played matches for Desolate on an alt, and due to this he is unable to play for Obey and his matches should be forfeit.
However, in the very few (two) posts I could find even regarding matches that Desolate played, the evidence was extremely scarce. Furthermore, it would appear, according to the fact that 0 of the matches Desolate played for CL were counted in the Group Stage of Clan League, that they were DQ'd in the Group Stage.
This would lead me to believe that since no matches were counted for Desolate, due to the fact that they were DQ'd, that this particular argument may be a non-issue.
Since I assume these rules are in place to keep Clan League fair, and we're looking for issues that are going to directly effect outcomes of the entire tournament, worrying about matches that weren't counted played over a month ago for a Clan that was DQ'd may not be entirely relevant.
Secondly, is the timing in which this is being brought up.
We are in the literal last matches of CL, in the finals, hours away from the finals being decided. The application process for CL, during which staff looked over alts in each clan for about 5 days, occurred about 2-3 months ago. This is as last minute as it could possibly get. Staff have had about (as previously mentioned) 2-3 months to notice, what you admit was an ES mistake. Being quite direct, that's an incredibly long time.
No matter the reasoning for why this was noticed just now, it's simply too late. So many matches have been played up until now, so much time has passed (2-3 months) and the entire event almost ended before you noticed this problem. It really is just far too late to make this ruling, no matter the reasoning, Obey shouldn't be punished for the ES's negligence and last minute rulings. As Hatt has previously mentioned we did our due diligence in ensuring the members playing for Obey were allowed to do so, and we were given the green light (as evidence by the fact we passed the application process). I understand there are rules, but this fact, combined with the fact that Desolate's matches didn't even count makes me heavily question this decision.
And even moreso, the way this is being presented is quite odd I have to say. Assuming this ruling was made not as last minute as it most certainly is, and assuming Desolate's matches had even the slightest effect on Clan Leagues' outcome, it is still rather baffling to me that ES would find it wise to discount the wins Felnin had accrued in these recent matches, but keep his losses. This is just plain wrong, as you have mentioned before it was an ES mistake. If that is the case, every match including his losses should be replayed as it was not a fault of Alpha,TGS, or Obey. This just feels to me, as though this decision was made extremely last minute (which it most certainly was) and Obey is getting the raw end of the deal because of it.
There has been no accounting for the fact that Desolate's matches didn't even count in the Group Stage. There has been no accounting for the fact that this decision was made hours before finals would have ended. And furthermore the way the ruling has been handled up until this point has been questionable to say the least.
I appreciate that ES is taking full responsibility and whatnot, but it's just far too late to make this kind of ruling, and it's also not even remotely relevant as far as Desolate is concerned as proven by my points above.
I'm not even going to get into how we directly contacted staff members previously regarding alts in our clan, or how other situations in CL have been handled up until this point.
I'd really like this ruling to simply be reversed, and allow us to finish our matches with Alpha as we planned to do literally today.
i think it's unfair that tinerr said it was fine for felnin to play, then obey gets punished for it.
We should just continue the CL as normal, at 10-7 score, because there's no way in hell I want to fight yet another clan war. I have things to do, and put my life on hold for this.
Otherwise, DQ obey completely and give TGS 2nd place because it's 100% their fault for inviting felnin, and felnin knew he was in another clan because he played for that clan in CL.