Toribash
Heart of the Swarm came out!
It's good to be back to starcraft, although i feel like the placement system is dumb.
I 5-0'd my placements:
game 1: masters player
game 2: gold player
game 3: bronze player
game 4: masters player
game 5: silver player
All but the last one weren't placed so i just went off of their career stats which might not be accurate, but I ended up getting platinum which is kind of annoying. gotta work my way back up to masters.
Last edited by Xego; Mar 12, 2013 at 04:09 PM.
Shut up, I don't have money to buy HotS. I want to play the campaign.
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I've only played a bit of the campaign but I've watched some people stream it and it is really cool.
I'm so bad at dealing with terran mech. I was bad at dealing with it in wings of liberty when zerg was op, so now that terran has hellbats and widowmines it's a good amount harder. I need to find someone to just play mech against me a bunch of times in a row and see if i can figure out what i'm doing
First off: Day9 has a micro tutorial in... some recent daily about dealing with early Hellbats in ZvT. Fantastically done, I think you'd appreciate it. As for Widow Mines, defensive use or offensive? Because with the defensive use, they're not that much of a threat. If he's drone harassing/pulling your troops into them, then I'm not ENTIRELY sure how to take care of it. Unlike SC1, you can't pull mines.

Maybe you could try mixing in Locusts, commence an attack, pull back with your non-Locst units, let them absorb the mine shots, and then run in to kill him. Could PERHAPS try Swarm Host/Infestor/Zergling. Of course Zerglings are gonna get raped by Hellbats, though... Does Infestor/Roach work well against mech?

Fuck zerg. No units designed to take damage from mech. xD Apart from Locust...
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I'll definitely check out the Day9 daily.
For widowmines, when they're going straight up mech it's not really a problem but i've gone muta/ling/bling vs terran for pretty much the entirety of wol and they're a constant threat with that unit comp. Early widow mine harass is super annoying to deal with too, but i understand how to deal with it. If I fuck up it can be gg though.
I don't really like using swarm hosts. I'm going to try going roach/hydra/viper and use blinding cloud on the tanks because I think that would work well. I don't think zerglings would be a good idea ever just because hellbats are unbelievably good vs them. I also haven't used infestors very much at all because of the nerfs, but they could work.
I think I might try out roach drops into roach/hydra/viper because I like being aggressive and I don't think I could cost efficiently attack a mech player head on if he's not moving out without something like drops.
Sounds like a plan. The Blinding Cloud is a ridiculously good spell, if you can just get like 5-6 Vipers to spam it over their whole army. It's sad that you don't like Swarm Host, because I think they could be an excellent defense against mech armies (every 30 seconds, you stop his push entirely while you get up defense and shit).
Infestors are always good. Also, a mech army shouldn't be able to micro away from a Fungal, right?
As for mine harass, I've never understood (watching the beta) how that can be so hard to reflect. I haven't played myself of course, but it FEELS like just one spine by each base should basically nullify that shit.
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If you have time to prepare for it it isn't hard at all to reflect, but sometimes I don't scout it in time and it's pretty annoying. Now that you don't need an evolution chamber to build spores it really isn't bad to defend, but it's the type of harass that the terran doesn't put much money into at all but if you mess up it's gg. It's not something that's easy to mess up, but it can definitely happen.
Infestors definitely could work, but I think I would rather use vipers. The infested terran nerfs also make going infestors vs mech worse too, because now the eggs are easier to kill and infested terran don't benefit from upgrades.
I might eventually warm up to the swarm host, but at the moment I'd rather use other things. If it turns out the swarm host becomes the standard thing to deal with mech or protoss or whatever I'll definitely give them a try.
Right, the fucking Infested Marine nerfs. ;_; Forgot about those until now that you mentioned it. Lame if you ask me. Vipers are cool, but don't you basically have to rush the Hive? It feels like Terran can get a pretty rofl-stompy army before any decent amount of Vipers can get out, yeah?
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Yeah they take a while to get out, but I also think you can beat a medium sized mech army without them. I don't think rushing for them is that needed, they're more for when the army gets gigantic and nothing can dent it, I think. Obviously getting hive pretty early would be a smart idea though.