Oh. Hypothetically, I would just save the puppy then.

I wouldn't kill them. Nor punish them.
Just give them a little push and talking to. Fuck the knives.
I'm made of steel.

Then the puppy would be safe.

since they are basicly adults I think that I would beat the shit out of them, not kill them but definately put them in a painful state. The justice/consequences for them if I mearly called the police would be pretty minimal for scale of the crime commited (by scale I mean how serious it is in the eyes of most people, and beating a puppy isnt usually veiwed upon with respect, unless its for cred or whatever)
I also believe that if you just turned the shoulder you're no better than the kids themselves.

great (althought quite grim) topic as usual Odlov!

Good point, most people would not want to get involved in something like this, but in Odlov's hypothetical situation, you're some rippling muscular badass with the combined offensive prowess of Jet Li, Jason Bourne, and Chuck Norris, with the sadistic and methodical mindset of Hitler (well, not really, but I wanted to shove in Hitler). Fuck yeah.

I don't think many people could really relate to this as a real situation. Very few ever see something like this, and a small amount of those who do actually act on the situation. Without that first-hand experience, of course everyone is all talk at first ;)

I think that a vast majority of the population would kill if they could justify themselves this easily- stomping a puppy? Honestly, who cares? I have a list of people I would gladly kill as brutally as possible, with absolutely no hesitation, but they punish people for killing other people (go figure, shame eh?). Honestly, even a strapped muscleman with a short fuse wouldn't be stupid enough to risk imprisonment over the life of some stray dog that will die on the streets anyway, more likely than not.

Personally I have a soft sport for animals, all animals, and I would take pleasure in beating them to death for doing such a thing, I mean what do you get from killing an innocent puppy?

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When I was 12 I had something like this. I used to live in a pretty crappy apartment, with odd neighbors. My neighbor George was around 30~ single, and left his room minimally. All the time I would hear crashes and bangs, sometimes even screechs. One day after school my parents were gone for whatever reason and I heard a sudden crashing and some odd screeching noises. Interested I opened the door quietly and there was George at the end of the hall beating a trapped kitten. The feeling of rage that under-came me is un-explainable, I ran grabbed my brother's metal baseball bat opened the door and swung at him. He was taller than me so I just aimed for his ribs, knocked the wind out of him. I took a step back and at that point he was crouched over so I aimed for the back of his head. Knocked him out on the spot. I then just proceeded to grab the kitten, and ran into our room and slammed the door. I called 911 then my parents, if your wondering the kitten ended up being fine and George was arrested for animal cruelty (Police found 2 dead cats in his room.). I even got to keep the kitten, he's alive to this day. If you absolutely need pics I'll go find a camera and get a timestamp for you.

And on the subject, I would beat them but not kill them. If it was a human I would bring them as close to death as I could without killing them.

Imho, the only excuse for killing is to save an innocent live. The puppy just wanted some love man.

Death seems like the only effective solution.

omg. knock their nose off their face man! then call the cops. Or record it if possible then call the cops. then i stomp off their face

Even worse? Nah. Under this context, one wouldn't be 'just as bad' either. Social morals and instinct are relative to a situation. I may have killed something, but look at it this way; it wasn't defenseless, and I had good reason.

Here's a very drastic illustration;If you walked up to someone and asked "WOULD YOU KILL SOMEONE", the answer would be a short "No" for 99% of them. But now imagine that you wake up one day and find that everyone in your family is dead. You step outside to find that the streets of your beloved city, filled with people you knew and befriended, have all been killed in some of the most disrespectful, graphic, and disgusting ways possible. Now imagine that someone comes up to you and hands you a gun, claiming they are responsible for killing all these people. Would you resist pulling the trigger? "FUCK NO BRO I WOULD BLAT BLAT HIS BRAINS OUT SUNNVABITCH KILLED MY DOG."

Why would you be as bad as the offenders by doing this? They're all near adulthood, meaning they should have a very developed sense of right and wrong. Not even a kid of six years old would kill a puppy without reason. The puppy has done nothing wrong and it is being killed, and it can't defend itself. The kids are a bunch of sadistic crackpots who should be killed or put in a mental facility for the good of society, and they've just committed a grotesque act by killing something, especially something defenseless and innocent. I would say that a group of these guys wouldn't be particularly defenseless. And I'm no better than they are, or even worse?

I think most people would see my actions in a spectrum between two extremes. People who would support my actions even more than I would, now they'd probably see me as some kind of holy dealer of retribution who gave a couple of morons what was coming to them. On the other end of the spectrum, probably alongside the kids' parents, would be people calling me a murderer who killed some kids that 'didn't know any better' and would be begging law officials to end my life, or else, they'd be taking potshots from across the road to try and do it themselves.

Which side is right? Neither. Everyone perceives things differently based on their own experience and knowledge, and their moral influence. Morality is relative. You can't label controversial actions as being one or the other. Sure, this doesn't always apply to a situation- anyone who thinks Hitler was a genius with his mass genocide of Jews, the retarded, and other groups he didn't like should probably be dragged out into the street and beaten with a tire iron.

However, regarding this situation; regardless of whether or not people perceive my hypothetical actions as 'right' or 'wrong', I doubt anyone would go so far as to say that I'm as bad as the offenders. Though I'm sure animal rights activists would put me up on a golden pedestal, nobody supporting my actions would really be celebrating about what I've done, because in the end, I did just kill other humans. Despite what they may have done, they were killing other animals, not our own species- some scientists might go so far as to say that it's evolutionarily counter-productive and illogical. But in my opinion, I would just be cleaning up the gene pool.



And yes, you did just get a very long response to a two-line opinion, but this is discussion, after all :>