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Originally Posted by Bloob View Post
This is exactly how i feel. Instead of making all Christians angry, just make up some sort of thing that gives them the same exact benefits and feelings. Its not that hard.

"It makes people angry" is not a valid reason.
Christians do not have any sort of copyright or trademark on marriage, as I've said in this thread only 15 times or so.
Also, to quote the supreme court for the fifteenth time as well in this thread (Brown v Board) segregation is discrimination.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
'Marriage' specifically means the union between a man and a woman.

It does not refer to a union between 2 people.

Gay people should not be allowed to 'marry', per say, but as displayed in an episode of family guy, they should have their own form of 'marriage', with similar rights.

Lets face it, marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman. Wouldn't it be easier to create something else to accommodate the homosexuals instead of pissing off entire institutions by attempting to change their rules?

Basicaly this, I believe homosexuals should do whatever heterosexuals can do.
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Originally Posted by Hyde
'Marriage' specifically means the union between a man and a woman.

It does not refer to a union between 2 people.

Gay people should not be allowed to 'marry', per say, but as displayed in an episode of family guy, they should have their own form of 'marriage', with similar rights.

Lets face it, marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman. Wouldn't it be easier to create something else to accommodate the homosexuals instead of pissing off entire institutions by attempting to change their rules?

If gays are accommodated with their own marriage-like system, with the same rights of straight marriage, wouldn't it just be the same as straight marriage? Instead of creating a new system, just accepting gays into the current system would basically make as much sense. By creating their own separate system, they would become a little more distant to the rest of society, which would then lead to more discrimination, which is what governments are discouraging.
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Originally Posted by EpicFailDude View Post
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Holy fucking shit.

You do realise that marriage isn't only a christian thing, right?
Nearly every religion has a form of marriage


And you do know that some christian churches accept gay people, right?

And you do know that there are christian gays, yes?


And you do know that there is atheist marriage where no preacher or church is even involved, right?

I think you're just talking to someone with a closed mind. Half the people on this thread are approaching gay marriage from a Christian view, which is wrong.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
"It makes people angry" is not a valid reason.
Christians do not have any sort of copyright or trademark on marriage, as I've said in this thread only 15 times or so.
Also, to quote the supreme court for the fifteenth time as well in this thread (Brown v Board) segregation is discrimination.

Boredpayne basically summed up what I was going to say. Like I said, if you only think of Christianity when discussing homosexual marriage then you're just being naive.
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@Redundant and @Boredpayne; Hyde was right, ya know. The fucking dictionary isn't the authority on what the law says marriage is. The law is.

Australian Commonwealth Law, Marriage Amendment Act 2004;
Marriage, means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life

American Federal Law, Defense of Marriage Act 1996;
the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife

It doesn't matter what the dictionary says marriage is, it matters what the law says. @Redundant. Marriage isn't just a legal contract between two parties. It's a legal contract authorised by the government. I believe though, that marriage should have nothing to do with the government and should just be between two parties and upheld by the courts as simply a contract. Unfortunately, for now, that's just wishful thinking.
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Well, in my honest opinion they should be able to marry, or at least have a form of it with the same result.

Sure, the stereotypical Christian gets angry about gays marrying each other, but so what? They get angry at a lot of things.
And as Boredpayne said, they have no trademark on marriage.

But of course, haters gonna hate. Even if gay marriage becomes accepted by most (if not all), there will still be bigots. Could be compared to racism or sexism. Nothing's going to change that.


[personal opinions]If anything, I hope that giving them better rights as gays will cut down on the number of "extremely open homosexual men" who love to flaunt their homosexuality (...you know what I mean). Not to be homophobic (i'm all for homosexuals doing what they want to do), but it's these men who annoy me to no end. I've yet to encounter a lesbian woman doing something equivalent to that.[/personal opinions]
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Jim: certain individual state laws hold that marriage can be between homosexuals, hence why it is included as a valid definition in the dictionary.
But I digress, the debate is more over what the definition should be than what it is.

@your most recent post, I am a full supporter of right to be legally married regardless of sexuality. My wall of text was essentially smashing through a couple of the common misconceptions in this thread, e.g. marriage is a christian invention, gay people spread AIDs, marriage is a religious process and thus should be dictated by religion, etc etc.
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Ok, how about we just say let people be who they want to be, even if the government won't accept it and let them marry, but be the way they want, unless religion of thier prefrence discourages it? Also that you won't be able to change thier mind and you know they will stay the same so eithier the government should just stop stopping gay marrige or they can just have protests every year until someone finally realizes.
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Originally Posted by xR3apzZx View Post
Ok, how about we just say let people be who they want to be, even if the government won't accept it and let them marry, but be the way they want, unless religion of thier prefrence discourages it? Also that you won't be able to change thier mind and you know they will stay the same so eithier the government should just stop stopping gay marrige or they can just have protests every year until someone finally realizes.

Because if they just be who they want to be and the government doesn't let them, it would breaking the law. Which would then be another problem.
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