Originally Posted by AikidoKP
Yes. Any one who has been diagnosed with a terminal condition and is in enough pain to hold them in bed or in one place should have the option of assisted suicide. Whether it's 2 days or 2 years, as long as the conditions are met it should be an option.
> enough pain to hold them in bed/one place AND terminally ill
So those are your conditions for allowing euthanasia?
Originally Posted by Rutten
Would you stop him? Or would you let him do what he wants?
What if he had 40 years left?
Would you stop him? Or would you let him do what he wants?
What if he wanted to kill you instead of himself?
Would you stop him? Or would you let him do what he wants?
Originally Posted by AikidoKP
Not really. I've had to make this choice before, and while it took a bit longer than choosing between a cheeseburger or lasagna, it didn't take long to decide, quite a simple decision, for me at least.
Your personal experience is interesting but does not address my claim, which was about "most people." And the fact that you compare deciding to participate in the death of a loved one with choosing between a cheeseburger or lasagna makes me suspicious about whether you have really been in this situation.
Another part of this story is that people in chronic pain often have reduced decision-making capacity, so often their health care decisions go to a proxy. This often means that a family member will be the one deciding the fate of the patient. I just think that most people do not have the courage to participate in assisted suicide. In fact, we see a parallel situation all the time - decisions about removing life support. So many people stay on life support for far too long because their family members are unable to let them go.
Last edited by Logic; Jun 7, 2011 at 02:30 PM.
no one else should be aloud to make the decision
should be as purely personal as possible
only terminal conditions
doctors should not have an obligation to kill patients who request it
and they should be able to say yes or no to individual cases
not yes or no as to whether suicide is an option but yes or no as to whether they will do it
because that would be some shit if you went through medical school withe the intent of saving lives
only to have to kill someone and let that way on your consciousness.
further more doctors should not be aloud to recommend/suggest it
should be as purely personal as possible
only terminal conditions
doctors should not have an obligation to kill patients who request it
and they should be able to say yes or no to individual cases
not yes or no as to whether suicide is an option but yes or no as to whether they will do it
because that would be some shit if you went through medical school withe the intent of saving lives
only to have to kill someone and let that way on your consciousness.
further more doctors should not be aloud to recommend/suggest it
Last edited by Orion; Jun 7, 2011 at 04:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by Gorman
> enough pain to hold them in bed/one place AND terminally ill
So those are your conditions for allowing euthanasia?
What if he had 40 years left?
Would you stop him? Or would you let him do what he wants?
What if he wanted to kill you instead of himself?
Would you stop him? Or would you let him do what he wants?
I can't help but feel like this is a trap of some kind, but yes those are my conditions.
The time left doesn't matter. However, "Terminal illness is a medical term popularized in the 20th century to describe a disease that cannot be cured or adequately treated and that is reasonably expected to result in the death of the patient within a relatively short period of time."
It should be a personal decision, but if I was left in enough pain to hold me in place and I was terminally ill, I would not stop him.
Originally Posted by Logic
Your personal experience is interesting but does not address my claim, which was about "most people." And the fact that you compare deciding to participate in the death of a loved one with choosing between a cheeseburger or lasagna makes me suspicious about whether you have really been in this situation.
Another part of this story is that people in chronic pain often have reduced decision-making capacity, so often their health care decisions go to a proxy. This often means that a family member will be the one deciding the fate of the patient. I just think that most people do not have the courage to participate in assisted suicide. In fact, we see a parallel situation all the time - decisions about removing life support. So many people stay on life support for far too long because their family members are unable to let them go.
The short of the story; my father passed away due to a late form of cancer. The doctors were telling me that he could have anywhere between a day and 2 weeks to live, however, because of the state and spread of the cancer, he would be bedridden, and in severe pain. His mental and bodily functions were deteriorating fast and I had to make a choice. I did say it was harder than choosing between foods, but it wasn't an overly difficult choice. I chose what I thought was the best thing I could do for him, put him out of his pain.
And before this gets attributed to some religious person saying something about "going to a better place", I'm an atheist, once you're dead, you're dead, nothing more, so no motivation of eternal salvation and pain-free existence or anything like that.
Originally Posted by Acavado
Would you rather die or be a vegetable?
Die. Being a vegetable isn't living, at least not for me.
