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Originally Posted by Gorman View Post
1) Allow certain laws on a religious basis is special treatment no matter how you look at it. Religions also do not pay tax.
You don't seem to understand the point of a democratic republic. If the majority of the population is a certain religion, then they are represented in in government, and get to do what they want. America, as a country, is absolutely secular. Whether or not a democratic republic makes religious laws does not determine whether it is a religious institution or not.

2) Removal and addition can be done simultaneously to different groups.
Only if there is adequate representation of people who want to remove/add rights of certain groups.

3) So if US doesn't make laws on a religious basis? Why is gay marriage banned? ;) Yeah, that's what I thought (:
See reply to #1. If the majority of America finds gay marriage absolutely disgusting, and intolerable, then it is shown in the laws.

4) "Brazil is democracy therefore is a copy of USA" need I say more..?
The government of brazil is not a democracy. It is a democratic fucking republic. There is no true democracy on planet earth. Also, its pretty fucking similar if you consider the fact that their regulations are almost exactly the same as ours, and they, as a people, have similar perspectives on issues we share.

5) India's international presence means that internal polices like arresting people for 'talking shit' is not favourable or enforced...
India is too populated to truly enforce something at this scale. Apart from that, Indians as a people are much less vulgar then your average American, and there is no need for such a law.

6) If Canada was as oppressed as you seem to think, then surely the concentration would be lower, that is basic logic.
"The tighter you grip them, the more they slip away." Oppressed is not a justifiable term when describing a DEMOCRATIC FUCKING REPUBLIC.

7) > posting 8 year old statistics. lol'd. I could easily post statistics as old to show that the US is ridiculously oppressed, corrupt, and has very limited rights (eg patriot act is 01, which is a year earlier than some of the stats you posted)
Statistics are lies within themselves, as obviously bias is involved no matter what. People who are paid to do the job generally help whoever is paying them look better.

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Originally Posted by Boredpayne/Hyde
>Religious ideals get special treatment
nope.avi.
Unless you consider a democracy giving the majority of opinion "special treatment," which shows a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy itself.

Except there never was any sort of removal at all, especially not one prompted by people rising up against religion....

Trolling, laws are made on a democratic basis, not a religious one, even if religion influences the democracy. Did you even read my previous post? I'm going with no.

Yes, you do.
You need to open up a new tab, type in wikipedia.com, find and read the article on Brazilian government, and understand that
1. It is a federal government with a representative democracy
2. It has two chambers of congress exactly like ours, one with a flat number from every state, and one with proportional representation
3. There is an executive, legislative, and judicial branch with similar checks and balances.

The only major difference is that members of the Brazilian cabinet manage individual ministries.
Need I say more? No, I don't, because I actually had something to say.

Don't try and ignore the point at hand. I was comparing them in terms of freedoms allowed, not the underlying causes. What you're saying isn't true anyways, the U.S. have a greater international presence than India.

That would be basic logic, except for a few things.
1. I never said anything that even implied Canada was oppressed.
2. Correlation between anons and oppression is stupid, since anon's very existence is the result of a productive society in which people have wide access to the internet.

The Patriot Act is not a statistic.

1) Allow certain laws on a religious basis is special treatment no matter how you look at it. Religions also do not pay tax.
You don't seem to understand the point of a democratic republic. If the majority of the population is a certain religion, then they are represented in in government, and get to do what they want. America, as a country, is absolutely secular. Whether or not a democratic republic makes religious laws does not determine whether it is a religious institution or not.

2) Removal and addition can be done simultaneously to different groups.
Only if there is adequate representation of people who want to remove/add rights of certain groups.

3) So if US doesn't make laws on a religious basis? Why is gay marriage banned? ;) Yeah, that's what I thought (:
See reply to #1. If the majority of America finds gay marriage absolutely disgusting, and intolerable, then it is shown in the laws.

4) "Brazil is democracy therefore is a copy of USA" need I say more..?
The government of brazil is not a democracy. It is a democratic fucking republic. There is no true democracy on planet earth. Also, its pretty fucking similar if you consider the fact that their regulations are almost exactly the same as ours, and they, as a people, have similar perspectives on issues we share.

5) India's international presence means that internal polices like arresting people for 'talking shit' is not favourable or enforced...
India is too populated to truly enforce something at this scale. Apart from that, Indians as a people are much less vulgar then your average American, and there is no need for such a law.

6) If Canada was as oppressed as you seem to think, then surely the concentration would be lower, that is basic logic.
"The tighter you grip them, the more they slip away." Oppressed is not a justifiable term when describing a DEMOCRATIC FUCKING REPUBLIC.

7) > posting 8 year old statistics. lol'd. I could easily post statistics as old to show that the US is ridiculously oppressed, corrupt, and has very limited rights (eg patriot act is 01, which is a year earlier than some of the stats you posted)
Statistics are lies within themselves, as obviously bias is involved no matter what. People who are paid to do the job generally help whoever is paying them look better.

Funny how you both admit that Christianity is given special treatment, but also both deny it... USA has always been majority Christian, and probably always will.
So a country with population of a certain religion, laws to benefit that religion, politicians and leaders of that religion, iconography and identity tied to that religion, is not a country of that religion? Hm, I think you are confused. "Our country can't be religious because it is democratic!!!" Sorry to say this, but democracy IS compatible with religions! They are NOT mutually exclusive!
Since you have both already said that the USA infact does give special treatment to Christians and makes laws to benefit/coincide with Christianity, can we end that part of the discussion now?

The whole argument of "all democratic republics are similar" is stupid and not relevant so I will not continue it.

I agree Bored, USA does have a more international presence. I wonder how then USA remains so oppressed? You raise a good point there.
But India's current position is certainly caused thusly.

I also agree with you Hyde, the USA has a fundamental cultural problem. I believe in my first post I stated that America's society was "fucked up", and now that you bring it up again, I feel the need to reiterate since that was my thesis statement.

Bored I believe you claimed that 'the US is as free as Canada'. Thus from my point of view the statement is read as 'Canada is as oppressed as USA'. I do agree that Canada is highly productive in a sense, but I still think that you would be hard pressed to find Anon members in China!

I agree with Hyde, Bored your statistics are probably highly bias and thus will be discarded.
"The Patriot Act is not a statistic." No, it is not, you picked up on that well. However I think I can find some effects that it had, in statistical form...
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