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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
That explanation is incorrect. Dreams last milliseconds-a few seconds at max, no matter how long they actually seem. Your body would not be able to physically act out those dreams, because there is a ~150 millisecond delay between what you think/want to do/do before it actually happens. We have over 1000 dreams a night, each at roughly 100ms-3 minutes, although we only remember the ones we wake up during. If that was true, the body would be spasming in a seizure like state due to the fact that so many actions go through to it in that small window. Sleep paralysis is kind of like a woman's PMS. There is no true, solid evidence to back it up, but hey, it happens to people.

Where the fuck do you get your information? Inception? I hate discussion because of people like you, blurting out whatever comes into their heads. REM sleep lasts about 5-45 minutes, and thats when you dream. Dreams last 5-45 minutes, therefore. An average person with an average sleep cycle gets about 2 hours of REM sleep a night, 2 hours worth of dreaming, usually different dreams for each stage of REM sleep. Sleep paralysis occurs every time we go into REM sleep, but it's only considered a problem when we're conscious of it. From Wikipedia:

"Physiologically, sleep paralysis is closely related to REM atonia, the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Sleep paralysis occurs either when falling asleep, or when awakening. When it occurs upon falling asleep, the person remains aware while the body shuts down for REM sleep, and it is called hypnagogic or predormital sleep paralysis. When it occurs upon awakening, the person becomes aware before the REM cycle is complete, and it is called hypnopompic or postdormital."

Basically, it happens when one part of you becomes awake and the other part of you is not. However, you are right with one point, that it is still unknown what causes it. It's most commonly linked to stress, but so is cancer, so that really means fuck all.
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Cretor, adressing your attack on Hyde's statement about dreams being short:
Just because REM lasts 5-45 minutes doesn't mean the sleeper only goes through one dream.
"1000 dreams a night, each at roughly 100ms-3 minutes"
100x1000=100,000ms. That's about 100 seconds.. less than 2 minutes. if all dreams were that length.
3x1000 is 3000 minutes, however, dreams that long or close to that long aren't as common as the shorter ones. When you sleep, you often go through a variety of lengths of dreams, some approaching 3 minutes, some nowhere near it. Statistics dictates that your chances of waking up during a longer dream are higher than awaking during a shorter dream. Chances are that the longer dreams take a larger percentage of time during REM than those short dreams do. 2 minutes would be all short dreams, which is less time than one long dream.
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that just because a person may only remember one dream, there are still many others they experience.
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Anyway, if you wake up and can't move, make sure your alarm is louder.
That tends to get me up and moving pretty damn quick.
scientific reason, to perfent actions from your sleep your brain locks your body, sometimes its low and thats why people sleepwalk, or somtimes its too high, in witch you cant move even awaking
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Originally Posted by Cretor View Post
Where the fuck do you get your information? Inception? I hate discussion because of people like you, blurting out whatever comes into their heads. REM sleep lasts about 5-45 minutes, and thats when you dream. Dreams last 5-45 minutes, therefore. An average person with an average sleep cycle gets about 2 hours of REM sleep a night, 2 hours worth of dreaming, usually different dreams for each stage of REM sleep. Sleep paralysis occurs every time we go into REM sleep, but it's only considered a problem when we're conscious of it. From Wikipedia:

"Physiologically, sleep paralysis is closely related to REM atonia, the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Sleep paralysis occurs either when falling asleep, or when awakening. When it occurs upon falling asleep, the person remains aware while the body shuts down for REM sleep, and it is called hypnagogic or predormital sleep paralysis. When it occurs upon awakening, the person becomes aware before the REM cycle is complete, and it is called hypnopompic or postdormital."

Basically, it happens when one part of you becomes awake and the other part of you is not. However, you are right with one point, that it is still unknown what causes it. It's most commonly linked to stress, but so is cancer, so that really means fuck all.

Actually got my information from the David Myers/D.S. Dunn/Zechmeister textbooks, all of which are written by studied and acknowledged psychologists/neuroscientists. It does indeed occur during REM, I'm not disputing that, but you must understand how short each dream is. In that stage of REM, you have hundreds, if not thousands of dreams. It is wrongly assumed that dreams last 5-10 minutes, which would limit it to 4-8 dreams per REM night. I don't think you entirely understood my post. REM Atonia does occur, but there is no evidence in neurology to suggest that it is/should happen, there is no reason for it happening. If you wake up while a dream is occuring, you have the greatest chance of remembering it. If you would like me to cite what I say, you can always ask :P
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Originally Posted by Hyde
That explanation is incorrect. Dreams last milliseconds-a few seconds at max, no matter how long they actually seem. Your body would not be able to physically act out those dreams, because there is a ~150 millisecond delay between what you think/want to do/do before it actually happens. We have over 1000 dreams a night, each at roughly 100ms-3 minutes, although we only remember the ones we wake up during. If that was true, the body would be spasming in a seizure like state due to the fact that so many actions go through to it in that small window. Sleep paralysis is kind of like a woman's PMS. There is no true, solid evidence to back it up, but hey, it happens to people.

That's hardly a fair Speculation to make

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There are so many different sites giving me so many different numbers of dreams people have per night that I can be pretty sure when I say that nobody really knows how many dreams that somebody will have per night.

I did some calculations based on hydes numbers. 8 hours being a good nights sleep
8 hours of sleep per night x 60minutes in each hour= 480 480mins/1000dreams per night=.48 .48minutes x 60seconds= 28.80 seconds per dream. Which Hyde more than enough time to kick over a lamp in your fight with the chuck man.

However I'm not going to say if you weren't under the influence of sleep paralysis that you would preform mortal combat with the first lamp you find but i'm not saying you won't either.
Originally Posted by RAWWRH
scientific reason, to perfent actions from your sleep your brain locks your body, sometimes its low and thats why people sleepwalk, or somtimes its too high, in witch you cant move even awaking

This ^ is Exactly thats what I was getting at.
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Originally Posted by floop78 View Post
That's hardly a fair Speculation to make

Proof



There are so many different sites giving me so many different numbers of dreams people have per night that I can be pretty sure when I say that nobody really knows how many dreams that somebody will have per night.

I did some calculations based on hydes numbers. 8 hours being a good nights sleep
8 hours of sleep per night x 60minutes in each hour= 480 480mins/1000dreams per night=.48 .48minutes x 60seconds= 28.80 seconds per dream. Which Hyde more than enough time to kick over a lamp in your fight with the chuck man.

However I'm not going to say if you weren't under the influence of sleep paralysis that you would preform mortal combat with the first lamp you find but i'm not saying you won't either.


This ^ is Exactly thats what I was getting at.

Clearly yahoo answers/wiki answers is correct, and studied psychologists/neuroscientists aren't.

The first yahoo article is completely wrong. There is no known condition on the planet which would make you not have dreams. You may not remember them, but you still have them.

Also, sleepwalking happens at one of the stages of NREM sleep(which takes up the most amount of time), normally at stage 3. Its different from REM sleep, which REM Atonia occurs during.
Last edited by Hyde; Oct 4, 2011 at 01:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
Clearly yahoo answers/wiki answers is correct, and studied psychologists/neuroscientists aren't.

The first yahoo article is completely wrong. There is no known condition on the planet which would make you not have dreams. You may not remember them, but you still have them.

Also, sleepwalking happens at one of the stages of NREM sleep(which takes up the most amount of time), normally at stage 3. Its different from REM sleep, which REM Atonia occurs during.

All I'm saying is I can find more answers saying that people have 3-4 dreams per night rather than thousands. But I think I understand what you mean by the sleep walking thing having researched it further, I have learned that dreaming during NREM sleep is rare because your body under sleep paralysis. But during REM sleep you are.

However, the number of dreams and sleepwalking is not really the point of this discussion. Sleep paralysis when sleeping is normal. Sleep paralysis when your awake isn't too bad either but, maybe you consult a doctor about possibly having narcolepsy.
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it sounds like a serious problem u should go see someone about that one other question why would u one to let the demons into your body
does it count if i thought my sister was the demon sitting on me?? coz i had two dreams in one dream.....
when i woke up in my dream i saw a ghost sittin on me but then i woke up twice ?? and saw my sister..
POSSIBLE
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also sometimes in my dream when i know something will get me like a ghost i always run away in slowmotion and they just grab me and i actually feel a bit of pain

happen to anyone?
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im glad someone made a thread about this, i was starting to think i was the only one that had things like this happen to me, the worst one i had was in the dream i was getting chocked by something but im not sure what it was, something with pitch black smokey arms, i woke and sat straight up but i still saw that those arms were still around my neck and chocking.