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Originally Posted by king01 View Post
In my opinion this is great news. The war is finally over. I really felt bad for the citizens for Iraq. They are free!

The million that died from the war probably aren't too happy. Also the cities that were destroyed and economy that was destroyed etc.
Originally Posted by king01 View Post
Yah I know. The Al Qaeda are really bad people. They kill people like it's a game. I hope they get eliminated.

Next up is to destroy the US huh?!
Well from what i learned Al Qaeda fought with Russia first and Russia was defeated.

Then the US came along trying to get more Oil and you know what happens next.

Its obvious that Al Qaeda were trying to take out all the three Superpowers.
Originally Posted by watersurf View Post
Its obvious that Al Qaeda were trying to take out all the three Superpowers.

[Citation Needed]

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Last edited by Vox; Dec 30, 2011 at 06:11 PM.
Originally Posted by Gormun View Post
Personally I don't condone war in the first place, but I digress; invading a country and killing a man who you just woke up, still in pyjamas, who cowers behind his wife in his bedroom is hardly comparable to 'how soldiers fight in open combat'. From a moral standpoint I think you can at least appreciate that killing an unarmed man - no matter how much you don't like them - is unjustified. I am pretty sure a well trained elite team can overpower a 50 year old man in his pyjamas, so there is really no excuse for killing rather than detaining.

I entirely agree with you, apart from the fact that he was scrambling for an AK, and wasn't not cowering behind his wife, she jumped in front of him to protect him. This is the common story, and can be found on CNN, ABC, and many other credible news sources.

I think there would be quite an outrage if soldiers attacked sleeping enemies and slaughtered them.

You expect there to be 'honor' in warfare? If the next day, they are going to shove explosives in their ass and try to blow you up, would you let them live on account of the fact that they are sleeping? Would you rather the team of seals be sent in at daytime, while guards are all armed to the teeth?

However the worst part is when Americans refer to the killing of Osama as 'justice'. Actually, the really sickening part is when Americans go on about 'oh how weak Osama was, I heard he was huddled and crying and begging for his life and even cowering behind his wife, haha what a loser. I'm glad they killed him'. Whenever an American says something like that it makes me sick to my stomach.

Its because you have a fairly anti-american stomach.

This is the kind of behaviour which is an indicator of a psychopath... I guess the most troubling part of this situation is that the majority of USA are showing psychopathic tendencies.

A psychopath is a person that lacks empathy. Something to do with their amygdala or something(psychology is rusty). Your claims of the majority of the USA showing psychopathic tendencies is idiotic. Go drown a bucket of puppies on national television, see how we react.

I think you are really scraping the bottom when you say someone is wrong in saying;
'9 years' instead of '8 years and 270 days'
'4500' instead of '4483'
'800 billion' (obvious typo was made) instead of '757.8 billion' ignoring your other source
And 1,000,000 dead Iraqis vs 103,536 to 113,125 casualties as a a result of the war. Notice you are both talking about different things, the 1 million includes deaths from food shortages, infrastructure failure, in other words it is 'how many people died as a result of the war' as opposed to 'how many people were killed by the war'.

Its ironic that you are the one saying this, seeing as this is what you do in every argument.

The current purpose of the war is to support stability and rebuilding of the nation, correct? In my opinion although the war should never have been started nor have gone this far, nor should USA have carpet bombed civilian targets, etc, in short there were a lot of mistakes and bad things, however it is irresponsible of the USA to pull out now.

I agree with you, but, I also disagree with your last statement. Our troops don't need to be there. We took out the tyrannical Saddam Hussein. Mission accomplished, as far as i'm concerned.

But I guess if you consider that USA is the main target of the insurgents, and internal and international pressures, maybe it is the right move. Allied forces are less at risk and without the US presence the region stands a better chance of stabilizing.

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Hoss.
"This is the kind of behaviour which is an indicator of a psychopath... I guess the most troubling part of this situation is that the majority of USA are showing psychopathic tendencies."

"A psychopath is a person that lacks empathy. Something to do with their amygdala or something(psychology is rusty). Your claims of the majority of the USA showing psychopathic tendencies is idiotic. Go drown a bucket of puppies on national television, see how we react."

Both of these statements are incredibly stupid. Gormon: banned for preaching 'cite sources' and not following, hyde: please try to keep up your post quality above 'completely idiotic', even when dealing with the completely idiotic. By the way if anyone is confused as to why I banned gormon for that it's because I consider his accounts ban fodder, and see no reason not to ban him for minor things.
Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
I entirely agree with you, apart from the fact that he was scrambling for an AK, and wasn't not cowering behind his wife, she jumped in front of him to protect him. This is the common story, and can be found on CNN, ABC, and many other credible news sources.

Originally they said he cowered behind his wife, later they changed to say he was going for a weapon (which obviously he keeps in his bedroom). I am sure it was 100% necessary to execute him on the spot instead of detaining him.

You expect there to be 'honor' in warfare? If the next day, they are going to shove explosives in their ass and try to blow you up, would you let them live on account of the fact that they are sleeping? Would you rather the team of seals be sent in at daytime, while guards are all armed to the teeth?

Don't we have rules of engagement? I am not against them going at night, I am against unnecessarily killing someone instead of detaining them for proper trial. "Innocent until proven guilty" is practised in USA, as well as their allies. I would have liked to at least see it extended when possible on the battlefield too. I don't see a problem with trying so-called enemies to humanity in court instead of simply ordering executions.

Its because you have a fairly anti-american stomach.

Haha, maybe so Hyde, but I like to think that the majority of the sickness is caused by a dislike for killing, especially unnecessary killing, and above all people expressing pleasure at the killing of someone who could not even defend themselves.

A psychopath is a person that lacks empathy. Something to do with their amygdala or something(psychology is rusty). Your claims of the majority of the USA showing psychopathic tendencies is idiotic. Go drown a bucket of puppies on national television, see how we react.

An interesting experiment. I think I need to revise my diagnosis. Obviously there needs to be a certain amount of conditioning and priming. I don't think there is a spot on prime time for a show where teams of Navy Seals burst in to people's houses and kill them as they scramble to defend themselves. I think you can at least agree that Americans had in general a positive reaction to someone dieing.

Its ironic that you are the one saying this, seeing as this is what you do in every argument.

Well I don't do it in every argument, more like 98% of the time - no, I joke. I don't do that :3 I am usually the one abbreviating large figures since I am lazy...

I agree with you, but, I also disagree with your last statement. Our troops don't need to be there. We took out the tyrannical Saddam Hussein. Mission accomplished, as far as i'm concerned.

Hm. I guess that is the difference then. Killing Hussein or rebuilding a nation, which was the real goal? Which should have been the real goal? Which is really more important? To me it seems like stabilizing and rebuilding a nation should be first priority.

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Originally Posted by Vox View Post
Both of these statements are incredibly stupid. Gormon: banned for preaching 'cite sources' and not following, hyde: please try to keep up your post quality above 'completely idiotic', even when dealing with the completely idiotic. By the way if anyone is confused as to why I banned gormon for that it's because I consider his accounts ban fodder, and see no reason not to ban him for minor things.

Psycopathy = lack of empathy
Expressing joy at someone being killed (especially in such a situation) != empathetic [1]

I stand by my statement, in this situation it definitely seems like psycopathic behaviour.

In addition I stand by Hyde's statement, his definition of a psycopath is sound (though simplistic which doesn't really matter in this discussion, since it is relevant enough).

Please respond with more than "OMG U IDIOT I BAN U", I would love to see you make an actual argument for once!



[1] Honestly this is the most retarded thing you have banned me for, you literally did not know the meaning of 'psychopath' so instead of googling it you banned me... All time low. Next time use a dictionary or wiki or google. I can't be expected to define every word I use, especially when it isn't even a hard word!
Last edited by Gormin; Jan 4, 2012 at 02:40 AM.
This war wasnt worth even start of it,I dont know why they even started it? And what they have from it? Nothing just black bags with dead american soldiers
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Originally Posted by StRiDeR100 View Post
This war wasnt worth even start of it,I dont know why they even started it? And what they have from it? Nothing just black bags with dead american soldiers

Um, not sure if you realised, but there were some non-Americans that died too...

I suggest you read THIS so you can learn why they started it and what they achieved. Once you are more informed you may be able to contribute to the thread!