Originally Posted by Zayex
Just to correct my statement, I mean to say: You can put together parts of creationism and evolution and have a sturdy foundation (Mostly evolution, with a tiny hint of creationism)
Evolution evolved all life (On earth) from single-celled organisms, yet there is (Could be) a god who created the universe, and possibly, bio-engineered us to evolve faster.
That would probably be the best combination of creationist and evolutionist ideas.
In doing so, you forsake support of both positions.
Evolution from single celled organisms eliminates the need for a God who bio-engineers.
There cannot be a combination of creationist and evolutionist ideas.
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Originally Posted by RayA75
Evolution from single celled organisms eliminates the need for a God who bio-engineers.
There cannot be a combination of creationist and evolutionist ideas.
There can. There is the possibility that a God started all this off and simply kicked back, relaxed, and looked at what ensues. Whether or not he or she (or it) still has an impact on our daily lives is something for a different discussion.
Or, a God could have designed physics and bio-chemical laws so that one-celled life was possible. Maybe in a parallel universe or whatever 2+2=19 or something of the sort, and therefore life is impossible because of that (how doesn't matter).
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Originally Posted by BlakMuffin
There can. There is the possibility that a God started all this off and simply kicked back, relaxed, and looked at what ensues. Whether or not he or she (or it) still has an impact on our daily lives is something for a different discussion.
Or, a God could have designed physics and bio-chemical laws so that one-celled life was possible. Maybe in a parallel universe or whatever 2+2=19 or something of the sort, and therefore life is impossible because of that (how doesn't matter).
That is not a creationist idea, though.
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Originally Posted by BlakMuffin
There can. There is the possibility that a God started all this off and simply kicked back, relaxed, and looked at what ensues. Whether or not he or she (or it) still has an impact on our daily lives is something for a different discussion.
Or, a God could have designed physics and bio-chemical laws so that one-celled life was possible. Maybe in a parallel universe or whatever 2+2=19 or something of the sort, and therefore life is impossible because of that (how doesn't matter).
I take the position that there is a need for a God to exist to create and sustain the universe. This is entirely compatible with evolution. But there's one problem with what you said.
As hanz0 pointed out, its not creationism. It is a cosmological argument, having nothing to do with the creation of the Earth, intelligent design, natural selection, Adam and Eve, and any other aspect of creation or creationism.
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Originally Posted by RayA75
I take the position that there is a need for a God to exist to create and sustain the universe. This is entirely compatible with evolution. But there's one problem with what you said.
As hanz0 pointed out, its not creationism. It is a cosmological argument, having nothing to do with the creation of the Earth, intelligent design, natural selection, Adam and Eve, and any other aspect of creation or creationism.
Whoops. Kinda left out that part. Well, anyway, I look at creationism by looking at the Bible through the knowledge we have today (and let's all just remember that although it has been supported by a lot of evidence, we don't know rock solid if evolution is exactly what happened to all life).
Keep in mind that Genesis was written well over 5,000 years ago, and that the knowledge they had about the world was very different from what we know now. I will put it out there that I think that we were all created by intelligent design, but not in the process Moses believed when he wrote Genesis. I think that although the process of evolution looks relatively simple, all that has to have originated from somewhere; it personally hurts my head to think that everything just went *poof* or that over a couple billion years we came to be all just by some accident. I think (and I know that a few people will disagree with me, but that's why we're here) that someone had to decide that Carbon and Oxygen would be able to coexist and make plant/animal/everything else life, and that in theory Silicone and Nitrogen would be able to do the same. I find it impossible that all that wonderful shapes in this world, all the laws of physics, the formation of the trees and grass, the animals, everything else exists, and that it was all an accident. I find that not only heartbreaking but highly improbable. To me, something as awesome as us couldn't have been an accident.
But that's just me.
I tend to look at the Bible in a very non-literal way; I think that Adam & Eve were NOT the first humans on Earth, and that the actual creation of Earth did not take 7 days, but 7 "eras", in a sense. The first era was the Big Bang (and let's all remember that the Big Bang in itself is just a theory), the second was the formation of stars, 3rd the formation of Earth, 4th the appearance of water and plants, 5th animals, and 6th the rise of Humans from apes. The 7th is the current era, where God "rests", and nothing much seems to be happening to our development other than knowledge. If we truly still are evolving (if evolving is true in the first place), then we will probably kill ourselves off with our knowledge before we change into a different species, and we may not even notice that we've changed if we don't kill each other off.
Side-note: I apologize if this may not seem like a definite answer at first, but just read through it a few times and you'll get what I mean.
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