Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
But yeah, since there isn't really any science to back either sides and it's just our opinions, I think we've probably taken this as far as it can go.
Actually this may surprise you, but BoredPayne isn't the first person to ask these questions.
Google "identity development" in to scholar and then you can read some papers.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
If I grew up in a poorer environment, would I be a fundamentally different person? Would I not be me, or even relate to me?
This is one of the only questions I feel I can answer at least somewhat adequately.
There was a well-known story about a Ukranian girl who lived with dogs pretty much from birth (I don't know the exact details). She behaves like a dog as much as other dogs do, can't speak, and can barely accomplish anything that a human can do.
It's quite clear from this that the environment in which you are brought up shapes who you are more than genetics do. Just like the first rings in the trunk of a thousand year-old tree remain the same shape as they were when the tree was a year old, your experiences in the first part of your life will shape who you are more than anything else.
In my opinion.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
Actually this may surprise you, but BoredPayne isn't the first person to ask these questions.
Google "identity development" in to scholar and then you can read some papers.
So? For every paper he could bring up, I could find another two to argue the exact opposite. Given that it's a social science, it's unlikely that there's any consensus amongst academics.
That's in general for this topic. Ray and I weren't even discussing identity development, we were just arguing semantics. If you weren't so keen to jump on every sentence I write in these forums, then you might've noticed that.
I think everything makes you what you are.
I strongly believe your family, friends, envoirment, even climate effects what you are in some way. You can have different views of the world from the different places that you come from, for example, If you are very rich, you will look down on the world as a dark, dirty, ugly place because everyone else is not as "good" as you, and if you are poor, you will look up to people, and have role models and values. I come from a middle-class family in America, but I have been fucked over countless times by different people, and it makes me who I am. I try to be different than the bad people in the world, in turn trying to help it.
These are just my thoughts on the subj, but in conclusion I think everything has to do with it, from your surroundings to your morals you have learned from them.
I strongly believe your family, friends, envoirment, even climate effects what you are in some way. You can have different views of the world from the different places that you come from, for example, If you are very rich, you will look down on the world as a dark, dirty, ugly place because everyone else is not as "good" as you, and if you are poor, you will look up to people, and have role models and values. I come from a middle-class family in America, but I have been fucked over countless times by different people, and it makes me who I am. I try to be different than the bad people in the world, in turn trying to help it.
These are just my thoughts on the subj, but in conclusion I think everything has to do with it, from your surroundings to your morals you have learned from them.
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