See that's what we're saying. Religion just causes war. Just look at the time of the crusaders. It was a time of mass murder just because of religion.
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Originally Posted by deprav
sharing is natural for them, blah blah environmental
Yes you're 100% correct; human abstract thoughts and/or feelings of greed, gluttony, and general "wanting" are heavily influenced by our environment (e.g if you're beaten and raped every day by a gang of Mexicans you might grow up hating Mexicans; maybe even taking radical actions against them).
But yeah, unfortunately capitalism does indeed strengthen greed; it was built around greed after all, and greedy people will always flourish under it while those with no ambition/failed dreams are stepped on.
A a universalist, I heavily believe that we as humans should one day genetically engineer ourselves so that we don't have "abstract thought" or the need to be in control. While none of us want that now, because we all like being unique, it would be the best thing for productivity in 5 or 6 generations, when no original humans are left.
Other primates have individuality, and they are also social creatures, but they don't have a high capability of abstract thought, thus they won't spend their days dreaming about how in 2 years they want to unleash their master plan to take control of their species. They live in the moment, and only do what they do to survive, and to help each other survive.
An argument is that our hightened intelligence will be our downfall.
Originally Posted by Erod
"god" and "devil" for me are just two things that the human being created to blame and believe. When humans are out of hope they get desesperated and pray for a divine that you can't see, talk, smell, touch, or anything like that for help. And they start to ask so much for that, so MUCH that apparently happens because of the person, not because of a flying guy who lives in the sky. But than when the things don't work the way that should be, or they blame the "devil" because "god" don't make mistakes OR they will say that "god" knows what he does. Well I'm sorry but i think this is stupid. I'm atheist and 95% of my friends and family are Christians or anything related to "god", because for real, you guys are all the same. Islam and christian-ism copied Judaism, that copied some ancient religion. Non of them is original, they just change names and dates, don't believe me? Just read the rules of the top 5 biggest religions in the world, all of them are like 80% the same with different words/names/dates.... And to be honest, i don't really care if you believe in a talkative mule (or what ever is the animal in the bible) or that you can't eat pork because its dirty or that you have to pray 5 times a day and wear something in your head to hide your hair because its a divine thing that you need to keep to "god". Since that 95% of my friends are religious, i just don't care about what they believe (I study in a international school here in the US where there's people from all of the world and all of the religions). But the thing that annoys me is that MOST OF THE RELIGIOUS CAN'T ACCEPT DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Ok if you accept, well great. But there's a lot of Christians or anything like that who don't talk or interact or even like other people just because of religion. Also religion caused most of the wars that happen in the world, so my opinion is:
Religion = War.
Religion isn't the reason we have war. There have been wars for religious purposes, but did the US go to war with Iraq because of Christianity. Did the war of 1812 have to do with religion, did the war for independence have to do with religion, and this goes for many countries and continents. Religion is not the soul purpose for war. In my opinion war is started by the visionaries and the corrupt.
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Originally Posted by SparChar
See that's what we're saying. Religion just causes war. Just look at the time of the crusaders. It was a time of mass murder just because of religion.
Also I'd just like to point out the crusades happened because European world powers wanted control over the middle east, so they had Christianity think up a holy war to get everyone to invade.
A good comparison is how we blamed Iraq for 911, and then proceeded to invade Iraq for years under the false pretense that Iraq struck first. In reality, 911 was most likely an inside job, and everyone knows that we only invaded iraq for its oil; same as how the Christian leaders invaded the middle east for its land and for glory, not for god.
Originally Posted by dannyrug
Religion isn't the reason we have war. There have been wars for religious purposes, but did the US go to war with Iraq because of Christianity. Did the war of 1812 have to do with religion, did the war for independence have to do with religion, and this goes for many countries and continents. Religion is not the soul purpose for war. In my opinion war is started by the visionaries and the corrupt.
Religion may not be the basis, but it's often wielded as a way to sell a war to the majority. The U.S. justified their war against Iraq in several ways by painting themselves as morally superior to Islamic Jihadists, and thus justified in their attempts to squash them out and bring "democracy" to the region. Our supposed moral superiority comes from the fact that we are Christian and they are Islamic extremists.
The War of 1812 was directly related to religion, as part of America's founding principles was the free practice of religion. And since the War of 1812 was a war to protect America's independence, it is justified through religious arguments.
And it's "sole" not "soul." Everyone seems to be messing this up and it's really bothersome. Sole is an expression of singularity or the bottom of one's feet. Soul is a corporeal entity that is said to encompass one's being.
And no, 9/11 was NOT an inside job, but there was a startlingly large amount of evidence that it was going to occur upwards of a couple years before it happened. The Clinton administration warned the Bush administration of possible terrorist attacks before Bush took office, and several reports and meeting were sent or scheduled with Bush to brief him on a supposed attack that would take place on American soil, and Bush either cancelled the meetings, or ignored the reports. There was literally a meeting the day before 9/11 that would have basically described the 9/11 plot to perfection, yet Bush cancelled it at the last moment. So no, rather than an inside job, it was just retardation on the part of an administration that was plagued with incompetence.
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