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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
Holographic projection theory was evolve to prove the non-sequitur nature of creationist theory.

I think it's very cool and creative. Building a niche theory to disprove your opponent is an awesome way to debate.

Ahhhhhh, I didn't know that ! That makes more sense now.
First time I heard about it I was stonned the feck out, thinking "wtf is dis shiet".

It's indeed a very creative way to show the loopholes of "religious thinking", but I think most people very deep into religion would have the impression to listen to chinese language if they heard that theory.

My own "technique" to make religious people doubt is to prove them I can live by the same "moral standards" without following their religions, and then asking if I'd go to "hell" or "heaven". If I'm going to hell it means their god is not smarter than a douchy kid seeking for attention, if I'm going to heaven it makes their religion useless. That's the shortcut but it makes interesting discussion ^^
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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
It's pointless to try and start a thread expecting logical arguments from religious folk, they are by definition illogical people...

There's a pretty massive distinction between believing in something illogical and being an inherently "illogical" person (I can only interpret this word to mean less capable of thought, or less intelligent).

To demonstrate this argument, your inability to make this distinction in this specific instance does not make you stupid, nor does it mean that I should expect all of your posts to be stupid. Though this one is. Very.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
There's a pretty massive distinction between believing in something illogical and being an inherently "illogical" person (I can only interpret this word to mean less capable of thought, or less intelligent).

To demonstrate this argument, your inability to make this distinction in this specific instance does not make you stupid, nor does it mean that I should expect all of your posts to be stupid. Though this one is. Very.

In this context I am talking about discussing religion with religious folk.

Why should I expect logic from someone who has already illogical opinion about a subject? I've never really met a religious person who says "of course, without proof of my religion scientifically it can be said to be completely false, but I personally believe in it even so".

None of them seem to be able to separate fact from fiction...
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
In this context I am talking about discussing religion with religious folk.

Why should I expect logic from someone who has already illogical opinion about a subject? I've never really met a religious person who says "of course, without proof of my religion scientifically it can be said to be completely false, but I personally believe in it even so".

None of them seem to be able to separate fact from fiction...

Talk to my dad. He's a Christian, but he told me right off the bat that he knows his religion could be completely wrong, but he believes anyways. Maintaining your belief while knowing you can be wrong is the ultimate show of faith in his mind. And I believe him on that. He let me decide my religious affiliations because he knows that, whatever I choose, I will believe it all the stronger because I decided on it myself. He's the first to point out the hypocrisies of Judeo-Christian beliefs, but he'll still believe in the ideal of a Christian god despite it being questionable.

Believing in an absolute truth requires no commitment. Believing in an almost certain falsehood requires the pinnacle of faith.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
In this context I am talking about discussing religion with religious folk.

No, you weren't, you were just taking an opportunity to insult them. Were it within the context of a discussion about religion you would describe them as "people who hold illogical views on this issue," not "lol stupid peeepz."
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
Talk to my dad. He's a Christian, but he told me right off the bat that he knows his religion could be completely wrong, but he believes anyways. Maintaining your belief while knowing you can be wrong is the ultimate show of faith in his mind. And I believe him on that. He let me decide my religious affiliations because he knows that, whatever I choose, I will believe it all the stronger because I decided on it myself. He's the first to point out the hypocrisies of Judeo-Christian beliefs, but he'll still believe in the ideal of a Christian god despite it being questionable.

Believing in an absolute truth requires no commitment. Believing in an almost certain falsehood requires the pinnacle of faith.

Your dad seems like a stand up guy then.

So long as he doesn't tell people that creationism should be taught in science class and that the bible disproves evolution, then he has more sense than most of the Christians I've ever met.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
No, you weren't, you were just taking an opportunity to insult them. Were it within the context of a discussion about religion you would describe them as "people who hold illogical views on this issue," not "lol stupid peeepz."

I like that you think "stupid peepz" and "religions people" are equivalent.
I guess I'm not the one who wants to just insult religious people huh...
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
I like that you think "stupid peepz" and "religions people" are equivalent

No, that's the equivalence you just made when you called them inherently "illogical" people.

If you're not going to actually read posts, perhaps you shouldn't reply to them.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
There's a pretty massive distinction between believing in something illogical and being an inherently "illogical" person (I can only interpret this word to mean less capable of thought, or less intelligent).

Maybe his wording is a bit off and 'inherently' is a stretch, but his point still stands. In the context of a discussion about religion, expecting logical arguments from religious folk is illogical.

So, did you actually have an issue with semantics or were you just taking an opportunity to swipe at Cow?
Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
No, that's the equivalence you just made when you called them inherently "illogical" people.

If you're not going to actually read posts, perhaps you shouldn't reply to them.

You substituted "illogical religious people" for "stupid peepz" then get mad when I point out that you made the substitution >_>

Maybe you should read your own post, or not say dumb things...


Now you try to brush it away as "no, illogical and stupidity is the same" when obviously it isn't. You are just digging a bigger hole...