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Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
I compare them because you are talking about surgery to demove negative human traits. That already exists. You also talked about absolute obedience and freedom of greed and selfishness. That is what lobotomy was seen as. A cure of psychiatric problems. The frontal lobe is what makes us human and gives us our personality. Other than that it is a pretty unnecessary part of the brain. What you are talking about seens kinda similar.

Lobotomy causes a vegetative conscious-coma, nothing to do with emotional behavior.

And there is no "surgery" that can tweak our dna.
Originally Posted by T0ribush View Post
The body is just a vessel in which the soul can experience.

So the ability to experience something isn't part of the soul? I'm pretty sure your sentence doesn't quite make sense. Experience what? Is our experiences of thought and meditation included? Please be more specific in your philosophical generalisations.
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Originally Posted by Zking View Post
Lobotomy causes a vegetative conscious-coma, nothing to do with emotional behavior.

Quotation from Wikipedia



I am not going to post a link because it is pretty easy to look up (2nd or 3rd google search "lobotomy" result just above the Encyclopaedia Britanica's definition of it)

The important part is that practically all the effects are emotional, and while in its crude and crude form it could detriment intelligence severely, It is otherwise an almost perfect example of what happens when you desire that impractical emotions are bad.

Just to clarify, I have nothing against improving memory, processing power and awareness in the brain with surgical procedures, technology or just chemical injections. I have nothing against gene therapy or bionic body parts. I just think that by trying to remove certain emotions you would forfeit the things which make humanity so powerful as a species (animals have much smaller frontal lobes than those of humans and many neurologists think this is what gives us all the difference in self awareness and all that philosophy 'I-think-therefore-I-am' jazz.

I have one more concern. What if some people don't want to be altered, I would imagine we would still reproduce in a human way because otherwise nobody would support the movement. I guess it would be possible to just clone people with genetic engineering to give the perfect baby but in my opinion that would be too far. Once you start treating humans as manufactured good (genetically engineered) you can all too easily forget the value of life (which is already becoming less valuable due to population rise and such like).

Thank you for reading. I hope you have a nice day.
Last edited by Zelda; Oct 14, 2014 at 09:16 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
So the ability to experience something isn't part of the soul? I'm pretty sure your sentence doesn't quite make sense. Experience what? Is our experiences of thought and meditation included? Please be more specific in your philosophical generalisations.

What he means, is that our soul is not our body; and our bodies are not our souls.
Our souls don't experience anything, they simply receive information about the experience through the body.
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there will be people who are against this kind of thing, because of the fact that it may go wrong due to lack of knowledge about the subject at the time, but, (this is a bit vague) you could compare this this to when trains were first invented, people were scared of the whole idea at first since this new vehicle could literally injure its passengers in the smallest of journeys, but then after years of development, trains are something very common to us now and they don't pose too much of a threat if we stay careful.
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Originally Posted by Dscigs View Post
What he means, is that our soul is not our body; and our bodies are not our souls.
Our souls don't experience anything, they simply receive information about the experience through the body.

Thanks. It was the phraseology which confused me.
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