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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
Earlier in this thread prejudice was a subconscious association based on experience. Which is it?

Oi oi, just pointing out inconsistencies in the definition buddy.

It's not possible for anything to exist without logic or experience. Even if you see something completely novel your subconscious brain will construct a logical model based on your experiences.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
So the question is whether or not there should be a Thought Police, in 1984 style, or am I missing something?
Yes you are.

Did you read the guidelines I wrote? Or the last two pages of this discussion. If I wanted to ask whether thoughts should be punishable then I would have said prejudicial thoughts rather than prejudice.

The question was intentionally unspecific to try to allow more discussion of different aspects of it. But people don't seem to realise that just because something is punishable, doesn't mean that it would always be punished. By arguing that advertised or intentionally obviously expressions of prejudice shouldn't be punishable you are saying that it should be illegal for police to arrest or even simply fine someone for shouting abusive racial slurs at people for no reason. "Should be punishable" doesn't mean the same as "should be punished". And punishment doesn't always mean prison sentences or seriouse human rights violations.

Try not to instantly assume a phrase means the worst thing which it possibly could. Not everyone is trying to oppress your human rights.

Sorry for ranting.
Good morning sweet princess
No, I didn't, because after I saw your one-liners replying to so many questions I decided that the best course of action is to ignore your rules so I can get to what you actually want: control over the issue so you can confirm your opinion on others affirmations.

Your double standard is visible, even in your points.
Although it's annoying it shouldn't be punishable.
'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.'
This is the internet.
People will say they are older then what they actually are.
People will always say they had sex when they didn't.
It happens you can't do anything about it no matter how hard you try.
Stupid? Yes. Should be banned for? No.
Although your point is valid that the Internet is rife with prejudices. Your examples are not of prejudice. If you are fully aware that what you are saying is wrong and you are saying it simply for personal gain (trying to seem older than you are so you feel more confident for example) rather than for the sake of your own belief, then it is simply lying, not prejudice.

I am prejudiced toward people with too many unnecessary letters at the end if their name in toribash. Or against orange belts and below (I expect them to be less mature even though this makes no logical sense since belt is no indication of age or personality at that level).
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Originally Posted by JayWS View Post
No, I didn't, because after I saw your one-liners replying to so many questions I decided that the best course of action is to ignore your rules so I can get to what you actually want: control over the issue so you can confirm your opinion on others affirmations.

Your double standard is visible, even in your points.

It is evident that you are rather confused as to what one liners are. Since the majority if my replies have been more than four lines long and are mostly void of the witty wordplay that usually makes most one-liners memorable or even noticeable.

You keep accusing me of things without any direct reference or evidence to back up your claims. I am not saying that this means you are wrong since it is probably due as much to laziness on your part as it is the the quantity of quotable evidence or lack thereof.

How does one confirm opinions on affirmations? Maybe you meant "seeking affirmation on other opinions?" In which case I can assure you that I am not (at least on a conscious level, I can't speak for my sub conscience however, but neither can you, so please don't try).

Where would my "double standard" be "visible" in anything except my "points" what else have I posted here? This is a genuine question aside from my previous bombardment of rhetoric. I want to know how you are actor garnishing my points (the implication that I have made anything other than points here leads me to believe that you see another type of post in a separate category).

I eagerly await my double standards being revealed in all their "visible" glory.
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Are the double standards that I said I wanted people to have many interpretations of the question but am trying to stop you from using your interpretation to rant at me regardless of my actual opinion or my motives for starting a thread with a pretty ambiguous subject?

The only reason I started this thread was because there were not many serious discussion threads open at that time and I wanted people to have something to debate. I was going to say "should discrimination be punishable?" But I felt like that was an obvious yes and was pretty hard to argue against since it already is punishable in many developed countries. I also considered "is prejudice bad?" But that was even more obvious since it is inherently bad regardless of some of the advantages it can have occasionally. I figured that "should prejudice be punishable?" Would be a good balance. I realise that I should have said "acts of prejudice" but I didn't want the question to be too long so I just wrote a few rules in a spoiler below it.

I hope that helps you understand that my motives weren't to confirm my opinions on other affirmations but to create a subject which could accommodate a range of arguable opinions while not requiring people to have to research the topic (like prior discussions on prejudice or racism which tended to be focusses on actual events or disadvantaged those who didn't know tonnes of facts and stats).

Thank you for reading.

Sorry for long post. I had a lot to get off my chest .
Last edited by Zelda; Oct 21, 2014 at 02:03 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
Although your point is valid that the Internet is rife with prejudices. Your examples are not of prejudice. If you are fully aware that what you are saying is wrong and you are saying it simply for personal gain (trying to seem older than you are so you feel more confident for example) rather than for the sake of your own belief, then it is simply lying, not prejudice.

I am prejudiced toward people with too many unnecessary letters at the end if their name in toribash. Or against orange belts and below (I expect them to be less mature even though this makes no logical sense since belt is no indication of age or personality at that level).
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It is evident that you are rather confused as to what one liners are. Since the majority if my replies have been more than four lines long and are mostly void of the witty wordplay that usually makes most one-liners memorable or even noticeable.

You keep accusing me of things without any direct reference or evidence to back up your claims. I am not saying that this means you are wrong since it is probably due as much to laziness on your part as it is the the quantity of quotable evidence or lack thereof.

How does one confirm opinions on affirmations? Maybe you meant "seeking affirmation on other opinions?" In which case I can assure you that I am not (at least on a conscious level, I can't speak for my sub conscience however, but neither can you, so please don't try).

Where would my "double standard" be "visible" in anything except my "points" what else have I posted here? This is a genuine question aside from my previous bombardment of rhetoric. I want to know how you are actor garnishing my points (the implication that I have made anything other than points here leads me to believe that you see another type of post in a separate category).

I eagerly await my double standards being revealed in all their "visible" glory.
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Are the double standards that I said I wanted people to have many interpretations of the question but am trying to stop you from using your interpretation to rant at me regardless of my actual opinion or my motives for starting a thread with a pretty ambiguous subject?

The only reason I started this thread was because there were not many serious discussion threads open at that time and I wanted people to have something to debate. I was going to say "should discrimination be punishable?" But I felt like that was an obvious yes and was pretty hard to argue against since it already is punishable in many developed countries. I also considered "is prejudice bad?" But that was even more obvious since it is inherently bad regardless of some of the advantages it can have occasionally. I figured that "should prejudice be punishable?" Would be a good balance. I realise that I should have said "acts of prejudice" but I didn't want the question to be too long so I just wrote a few rules in a spoiler below it.

I hope that helps you understand that my motives weren't to confirm my opinions on other affirmations but to create a subject which could accommodate a range of arguable opinions while not requiring people to have to research the topic (like prior discussions on prejudice or racism which tended to be focusses on actual events or disadvantaged those who didn't know tonnes of facts and stats).

Thank you for reading.

Sorry for long post. I had a lot to get off my chest .

No, it's very simple and despite your attacks on trying to label me as lazy, you're evidently wrong. I've read the discussion and you've been brushing people off the moment they say something that goes against your views, and that's really biased, specially for someone speaking on prejudice.

May Orwell help me show you that all of your bulletin points in your first post are your attempts on making people see that "some prejudice is bad", while advocating the oppression of the State as the one that has to regulate what is punishable by law and what isn't. Your statement that "punishable =/= should be punished" is inherently flawed, for the sole reason the executive power exists is to enforce the law defined by the legislative, and if the legislative power agrees that something is punishable then it is the duty of the executive to punish it. What you're making is a clear double standard, I refuse to say it is double think for I don't know if you have the capacity, as once something is punishable by law, it means it should be punished, that is the structure of the powers.
JUST STOP IT.
I hate to sound cliche, but please don't tell me what I think. And don't try to make me into some sort of fucking authoritarian Nazi just so you can argue against a belief which I neither have, nor have ever presented.

Also, please don't even think about trying to argue that punishable and punished mean the same thing, because that shows simple pure misunderstanding of the English language (in fact even someone who doesn't speak it might, at least in some cased assume that the difference in spelling is indicative of a similar difference in meaning).

I am not going to argue with your political opinions because for another thread on a similar topic we might be in agreement. You would also probably assume that by disagreeing with any single one of your views I am stating that my philosophical beliefs are the polar opposite of yours.

You have barely answered any of my queries from previous posts and are simply spouting generic, anti-authoritarian (I am not slandering anti-authoritarianism since it is a completely fair viewpoint to hold and is, in my opinion, much better that its authoritarian counterpart) rants at me when there is no need. What do I need to say to persuade you that I am not a Nazi? Do you want me to sing revolutionary anti-government chants or would starting an activist Facebook page be enough?

Get over yourself and post something worthwhile before this post is rightfully closed for being absolutely senseless.

Thank you for reading, sorry for the unnecessary bits in this rant.
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Please respect the willpower required to not call bullshit on the thing about "structure of powers" because I don't want this to be just another political debate.
Last edited by Zelda; Oct 21, 2014 at 11:58 PM. Reason: Removed some pointless waffle
Good morning sweet princess