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Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
Sexism against men exists and has existed in history. I/Ele will have to close this thread if it degenerates into you asking silly questions.

You cannot compare sexism against women to that of sexism against men. There is far greater sexism towards females than males, and that should be our focus at the moment.

There are only two real valid points I can see for sexism against men:

1. It is not socially acceptable for a man to hit a woman, but it is fine for a woman to hit a man.

2. Women get child custody much more than a man does, but the logic is quite clear in this one, as the mother is the one who raised the child.
Perhaps he meant to ask whether there ever will be more sexism against men than there is towards women, but the way he phrased it implied that he was asking about any sexism against men at all, which there is. There are women who hate men for being men just like there are men who hate women for being men. And I see no reason they are not comparable, just because something is rare does not make it unthinkable.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
You cannot compare sexism against women to that of sexism against men. There is far greater sexism towards females than males, and that should be our focus at the moment.

Well you can add "have to prove that sexism towards males is a problem" to the list of sexism towards males.

Men have shorter life spans, work harder and longer hours and in more demanding industries, have less support programs and scholarships available to them, are excluded from rights conversations about their rights because "women are more important" (in the SJW community they face considerable abuse and prejudice), in practice they have little rights over their own children - pre and post-birth, they face considerable societal expectations for with regards to both behaviour, appearance and achievement (for example you mention "men can't hit a woman", which has lead to nonreciprocal domestic violence rates when a woman as the perpetrator being more than twice as high as when a man is the perpetrator). For whatever reason it's also seen as acceptable to mutilate a baby boy's body, yet it's seen as adhorant to mutilate a baby girl's - strangely I've yet to see feminists tackle that problem! From birth to death men face sexism.

I think maybe it's more productive to acknowledge that "sexism" is a universal problem, and stop brushing away the problems of one sex as insignificant.

If you want to prove that women face more sexism and that it's so important that we should ignore problems of men, go ahead and try. Start listing their problems and I'll see if I can think of as many that are of equal or greater magnitude. I'm giving you this easy out because it's the fastest way to prove a point, go ahead and list a few, if women's issues really are bigger and more frequent than men's it should be an easy challenge.
Last edited by ImmortalPig; Feb 17, 2015 at 08:43 PM.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
This thread really is going hopelessly off-topic but it seems mostly harmless, and it might genuinely give some people more understanding of this sort of topic so go ahead.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Well you can add "have to prove that sexism towards males is a problem" to the list of sexism towards males.

Men have shorter life spans

This has nothing to do with sexism. Read up on why this is before saying this is because of sexism.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Work harder and longer hours and in more demanding industries

Men choose to do this. They choose to be in the army. They choose to work those jobs. And if they are forced to work in a factory, they will be working along side women. Not just men.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
have less support programs and scholarships available to them

LOL! Where the hell did you hear that from? Please tell me the source where you saw this. Because that is totally bullshit.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Are excluded from rights conversations about their rights because "women are more important"

There are men who think the exact same way. Probably more men.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
in practice they have little rights over their own children - pre and post-birth

This is the only one I really can agree on, and it's simply because of tradition. That is one versus hundreds women have to face daily.
Last edited by Ele; Feb 18, 2015 at 09:04 AM. Reason: No digs.
Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
Men choose to do this. They choose to be in the army. They choose to work those jobs. And if they are forced to work in a factory, they will be working along side women. Not just men.

My country, Germany, had something called military service until recently.
Only male young adults were forcefully drafted into it.
The only way to get out of it was to do civil service instead.

Both get paid ridiculously and many people were forced to do it against their will. That is an issue in my humble opinion.

Many countries still have similar systems. They are directed towards one gender only many times.
I'm just enjoying waiting for pig to throw a shitstorm of sources and critical overthinking at kyure. I look forward to it.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
My country, Germany, had something called military service until recently.
Only male young adults were forcefully drafted into it.
The only way to get out of it was to do civil service instead.

Both get paid ridiculously and many people were forced to do it against their will. That is an issue in my humble opinion.

Many countries still have similar systems. They are directed towards one gender only many times.

I must admit, a fair number of countries still do use conscription. Mostly in the Middle East, Northern Africa and Northern Asia. I suppose my statement about choosing to go to war, could be wrong.
Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
This has nothing to do with sexism. Read up on why this is before saying this is because of sexism.

It's arguable.

Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
Men choose to do this. They choose to be in the army. They choose to work those jobs. And if they are forced to work in a factory, they will be working along side women. Not just men.

They are expected to do so. Men are judged by their success, they can't just go and do a useless degree and freeload as house husbands.

Men have made up the vast majority of casualties of war, again because it is what is expected of them. Even now that women can join the army in the US, with much much lower requirements I might add, this responsibility still falls onto men.
Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
LOL! Where the hell did you hear that from? Please tell me the source where you saw this. Because that is totally bullshit.

I've not seen a university that has more scholarships for men than for women, despite the majority of university being female.

In almost any subject there's more support for women, for example there's an absurd amount of female only domestic violence shelters.
Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
There are men who think the exact same way. Probably more men.

Really? I don't see anyone in this thread saying "women problems aren't important let's ignore them".

Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
This is the only one I really can agree on, and it's simply because of tradition. That is one versus hundreds women have to face daily.

Hundreds that you can't even name a SINGLE one of huh.

Tradition is not a compelling reason to give men no rights to their children.

Originally Posted by Kyure View Post
I must admit, a fair number of countries still do use conscription. Mostly in the Middle East, Northern Africa and Northern Asia. I suppose my statement about choosing to go to war, could be wrong.

The US still requires men to register for selective services. Funnily enough, it does not require women to.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
The US still requires men to register for selective services. Funnily enough, it does not require women to.

The reality for that is that men are usually much stronger than women.
Testosterone and fast-twitch muscle fibers allow men to do more brute strength and more overall everyday strength performance. Women have more bodyfat and long-term endurance.

As well, men have the world record in almost any strength/endurance based competitions. And there are countless men close behind the world records.

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