Perhaps these healthy, young men running away from their own wars is the main problem. It's called 'desertion', and it just helps prolong these conflicts.
Also, a lot of them aren't even war refugees. They just head towards Europe for a better future from poor countries without an ongoing conflict.
and these shootings will stop
Yeah, a big part of the immigrants have a very good education. It's very bad for the economic future of the country they're fleeing from, though.
This was too stupid to ignore. Maybe we should deport the right-wing extremists too while we're at it.
Isis are the people carrying out these disasters. Have you forgotten about 9/11, Je suis charlie, the beach massacre, 7/7 bombings, plane bombs in egypt on russian aeroplanes, the bombings in lebanon, baghdad bombings and many more.. That's not 120 deaths. That's many more. These people were all innocent, unarmed people unknowing of what was about to happen. That shows cowardice. The fact that ISIS is the most anonymous group in the world is why it's so threatening, because we don't know when the next attack will be or where. We all know WW3 is coming. I also agree that we're letting too many refugees in. Borders should be closed, refugees reported when the problems in Syria are resolved, but ISIS has even said they're going to take advantage of the immigrant waves and ISIS troops have certainly been flooding into Europe. They'll attack from inside Europe and we wont be able to do much.
Deprav: They're not coming to get away they're coming to start a new life. They aint gonna return when the problems are resolved, are they? no. We have to pay taxes etc just for them to live and in return they do NOTHING but consume space and goods and earnings from other people etc.
Isis is becoming a bigger threat everyday. WW3 WILL HAPPEN.
I agree with neko , terrorism has no religion and isis are people getting paid to kill like the mercenaries .
and have some feelings for the innocent people who get refugee . if Europe closed its borders , small children would be killed and other horrible stuff would happen . its not about sorting your own business yourself , its about exterminating IsIs .
No one puts their children on a boat unless the water is safer than the land, no one runs for the border unless they see their whole city running too.
Last I checked, Syria isn't bordered by France and Germany. There are plenty of other places where they can escape to if they wish.
For fuck sake have some humanity, who gives a shit who people are or where they're from they're fucking humans. You had the fortune of being born and raised in a first world country. These people doing harm will do harm regardless of whether or not they're legally allowed in the country. There will always be people harming others. Harming humans. I don't understand at all the lack of compassion and empathy displayed by so many
Tough shit. I don't see why it's Europe's responsibility to correct Turkey's/Saudi Arabia's mistakes in the area. I don't know how much you know about geopolitics, but basically, Turkey/Saudis/Egypt/Israel are entirely responsible for the turmoil in the area. Let them deal with it.
Terrorism has no religion, it has no nationality. Stop pretending that officials in Downing Street or the White House are any less of terrorists than those involved in ISIS.
They are and you're an idiot for suggesting otherwise. The officials on downing street and in the white house have accepted refugees from these areas with no moral obligation to do so.
I don't care what recourses refugees drain, I don't care what religion or creed they follow. I don't care what country they are from. They seek asylum. No one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark.
Say you're escaping violence in cambodia or some shit. Do you escape to Germany or do you escape to neighboring countries?
We currently don't know who the shooters are and why they did this. The attacks were not claimed by Isis. Actually, there is only our president, Mr Hollande, who knows that.
EDIT : Isis claimed by the attacks.
If we let the middle east sort themselves out, it will just get worst and we'll be more exposed to the power of growing threats like Isis. About the immigrants, I'll just quote Neko :
Reported, I don't even want to argue. I can't blame you for being ignorant. One day, try to read the first pages of the Qur'an.
Sure, this is all good if you value the lives of people of your own nationality higher than the life of people of other nationalities. I think that's where our opinions differ. An incident is equally terrible wherever it's happening in the world, but when it happens in developing countries people tend to care less, if it's even covered in the news.
It's not a coincidence that the worst fundamentalism and extremism comes from the most impoverished countries in the world. You have to realize these are desperate people who simply don't have the means to support their families. I'm not trying to justify their actions, but I want to make the point that terrorists are not the result of culture, but the result of desperation.
They are the result of both. Desperation doesn't directly lead to you strapping explosives onto you and blowing yourself up, because the end goal of desperation is gaining resources which you lack. I don't see why Germany has to be responsible for these people. Let the fucking saudis/turks handle it. To quote their book, 'And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain...'. If you imply their culture does not actively promote acts like this, you're heavily mistaken.
If you truly wanted to solve the problem, you should do the very opposite of "leaving them to sort out their mess", because it's only going to get worse unless we actively try to help.
The way in which I would see the problem solved would be with the obliteration of the middle east, but that is not a reasonable solution, so I suggested something more reasonable.
EDIT: I hope we're all agreed that the burning of the Calais migrant camp that happened the night after the attack is an action equally despicable. Not comparable in scale, but absolutely comparable in motives.
I agree. However, I think that forcibly assimilating those migrants will cause turmoil, and it would be better to send them to a country which is more capable of assimilating them.
Oh my goodness, what!?! I missed this earlier
Do you think answering violence with violence ever works? These people hate the western world probably because the only exposure they've had to it is western countries bombing their homes and killing their people. You cannot kill hatred with violence, coming then will make things so much worse.
Well this thread is exactly how "they" want you to react. People blaming Muslims, wanting migration to stop... "They" as in America.
Lol, implying this has anything to do with America
You realise the cause of all this is America?
No, the cause of all of this is Saudi Arabia/Turkey/Egypt/Israel. Last I checked, America didn't have a fundamentalist islamic leader who actively supported terror groups like Turkey/Saudi Arabia, nor does it encourage violence in the region like Egypt/Israel actively do.
America created all the forms of terrorism by creating conflicts all over the world. World War 3 is not far away, and that is exactly what America wants.
Mate, adjust your tinfoil hat a bit, it's looking crooked
And 120 dead is nothing. Just because they are white and from Europe does not make them gods. 21,000 people die every day from starvation which could easily be cured if America stopped causing wars all over the world.
Why are you implying they're white? There are plenty of African, Asian and other races of immigrants in France. There is no general skincolor required to eat at restaurants, watch soccer matches or attend a death metal show at a venue either. You're just racist.
Many people have been brainwashed here in believing Islam is bad.. when really it is your idol America and the west which is evil.
Lol. You realize you're probably on an alphabet agency's list now, right?
1. Migrants flee their country because those horrifying attacks happen daily there. They just want to fucking live, and far from that shit if possible. 150 is the average number of casualties there are in Syria, EVERYDAY.
That's what you'd expect from an active warzone, I don't see why they have to flee to Germany or France.
2. Most of the terrorists perpetrating attacks in France already had the french nationality to begin with. Closing borders is just stupid and would just give the impression of safety, ideas travel past physical borders.
Closing the refugee avenue allows intelligence forces to be more focused and more capable of prioritizing targets of surveillance.
3. The reason of those attacks wasn't "Islam", religion is just used as a brainwashing pretext to enrole soldiers willing to sacrifice themselves... but don't fool yourself : those attacks are only the consequences of the Western imperialism and the wars they bringed to middle-east, wars for ressources in order to sustain an absurd system that we all know is bound to die. It's dying already, and us with it.
4. All muslims aren't extremists, all extremists aren't muslims. Hell, Islamists/extremists aren't even Muslim to begin with, all monotheist religions share the same core and rules, like not killing people for a starter.
5. Yes "we" are at war, we've been at war for decades. But yesterday that war nobody wants but the established powers, dragged itself here. And it's sad.
It certainly isn't my war.
Sure, you have some valid points here, but you can't disagree with the fact that more immigrants flooding into the west is a bad thing. You can't culturally assimilate people that hate you.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34822666
^You guys think it's related?
By peaceful I mean religions aren't made to attack people. They just aren't, the goal is to worship a god. Look up the definition of a religion. Sure, terrorists can be produced by religions but that doesn't make the religion bad. You think having a god of war makes a religion not peaceful? If anything, you could say any god of any religion is a god of war as that god is believed to protect people during war. Even the Christian god did that. Again, that doesn't make the religion not peaceful.
Do you think there are not Christian attempting to destroy Islamic countries? I mean I get it if you're definition of a terrorist is one who attacks western civilization, which is understandable since we live in said area, but if you're going by the broad term there are definitely Christian terrorists. But they don't effect us because they aren't invading the United States or Britain to take them down because those areas are primarily Christian already so we don't refer to them as terrorists. It's all about pov in that regard.