Chess. A game about strategy and "guesswork(used veeerryyy lightly)." Now, you have chess where you have 20 pieces(joints) and all those pieces work in both subtle and significant ways with each other, and not even the best players know entirely how to utilize them. Likewise to chess, a lot of the match depends on thinking at the very least into the next turn. If you play following your ghost you'll only go so far. In chess, you don't even have the luxury of a ghost to tell you what to do and guide your every move. It's entirely "guesswork" and strategy. That's what turn based games are, and I would LOVE to see the look on Garry Kasparov's face when you tell him that chess is akin to rock-paper-scissors. This "it's not competitive" thing sounds like an argument based entirely on salt.
I'm not saying ToriBash is as advanced as chess, but they're obviously similar in the sense that they are turn based and that advanced play hinges on the idea that you can predict what your opponent will do (or, in the case of chess, stay one step ahead of them). I'm sure most people, though, are too focused on obtaining mastery of movements of their joints to realize that there is an entirely different aspect to gameplay, whether you like it or not.
Is it safe to say the thread is officially derailed now? I think the people who've commented have pretty much said the ranks aren't really working and we're in dire need of an update. Competition in this game works on a small scale and in controlled environments, but so much can (and has) gone wrong with the ranking system that I think a lot of people have lost hope.
I'm not saying ToriBash is as advanced as chess, but they're obviously similar in the sense that they are turn based and that advanced play hinges on the idea that you can predict what your opponent will do (or, in the case of chess, stay one step ahead of them). I'm sure most people, though, are too focused on obtaining mastery of movements of their joints to realize that there is an entirely different aspect to gameplay, whether you like it or not.
Is it safe to say the thread is officially derailed now? I think the people who've commented have pretty much said the ranks aren't really working and we're in dire need of an update. Competition in this game works on a small scale and in controlled environments, but so much can (and has) gone wrong with the ranking system that I think a lot of people have lost hope.
Originally Posted by pouffywall
Chess. A game about strategy and "guesswork(used veeerryyy lightly)." Now, you have chess where you have 20 pieces(joints) and all those pieces work in both subtle and significant ways with each other, and not even the best players know entirely how to utilize them. Likewise to chess, a lot of the match depends on thinking at the very least into the next turn. If you play following your ghost you'll only go so far. In chess, you don't even have the luxury of a ghost to tell you what to do and guide your every move. It's entirely "guesswork" and strategy. That's what turn based games are, and I would LOVE to see the look on Garry Kasparov's face when you tell him that chess is akin to rock-paper-scissors. This "it's not competitive" thing sounds like an argument based entirely on salt.
You're missing the point. There are no random elements in chess. You win or lose based on your performance. Not because you happened to guess right or the fact that the weird physics engine decided to give you its blessing.
Last edited by hipotibor; Dec 23, 2015 at 11:24 AM.
Originally Posted by pouffywall
Chess. A game about strategy and "guesswork(used veeerryyy lightly)." Now, you have chess where you have 20 pieces(joints) and all those pieces work in both subtle and significant ways with each other, and not even the best players know entirely how to utilize them. Likewise to chess, a lot of the match depends on thinking at the very least into the next turn. If you play following your ghost you'll only go so far. In chess, you don't even have the luxury of a ghost to tell you what to do and guide your every move. It's entirely "guesswork" and strategy. That's what turn based games are, and I would LOVE to see the look on Garry Kasparov's face when you tell him that chess is akin to rock-paper-scissors. This "it's not competitive" thing sounds like an argument based entirely on salt.
I'm not saying ToriBash is as advanced as chess, but they're obviously similar in the sense that they are turn based and that advanced play hinges on the idea that you can predict what your opponent will do (or, in the case of chess, stay one step ahead of them). I'm sure most people, though, are too focused on obtaining mastery of movements of their joints to realize that there is an entirely different aspect to gameplay, whether you like it or not.
Is it safe to say the thread is officially derailed now? I think the people who've commented have pretty much said the ranks aren't really working and we're in dire need of an update. Competition in this game works on a small scale and in controlled environments, but so much can (and has) gone wrong with the ranking system that I think a lot of people have lost hope.
in addition to what hipo said, in chess you take your turns at different times, not the same time, this malea a big difference because there is no guesswork as to what impact your turn will make. Thus making the results more consistant.
Also not everyone has said they disliked the rank system, and those who have have been unable to give good reasoning why they dislike it.
Personally I dislike it due to its inability to distinguish between players of a similar skill level, such as at the very top end of the spectrum, but I believe the patch that hopefully will come sooon should fix that
Don't dm me pictures of bowls that you find attractive.
Annnd congratulations smallbowl you have proven everything everyone has been saying. You are basically the only one here saying that toribash is not competitive, and that the tourneys are fine, aswell as the rank system being fine. "but I believe the patch that hopefully will come sooon should fix that" how many times have we heard that?
For once in your life can you open your mind and appreciate what the majority are saying and start looking for FLAWS rather than always being on the defense.
You have never been a high skilled player before in toribash so why are you telling a bunch of high skilled players about how to make a skill based tourney and rank system... please stop being so defensive and start looking for ways to improve.
For once in your life can you open your mind and appreciate what the majority are saying and start looking for FLAWS rather than always being on the defense.
You have never been a high skilled player before in toribash so why are you telling a bunch of high skilled players about how to make a skill based tourney and rank system... please stop being so defensive and start looking for ways to improve.
Originally Posted by PACKET
You have never been a high skilled player before in toribash so why are you telling a bunch of high skilled players about how to make a skill based tourney and rank system... please stop being so defensive and start looking for ways to improve.
Said the guy with 300 qi over 3 years. Stop lashing out at people who are giving you constructive feedback and enjoy your free game without acting like a spoiled brat.
Last edited by hipotibor; Dec 23, 2015 at 08:06 PM.
