This is what I mean. The fact that you have shaders 2.0 and OpenGL 2.0 yet it won't run, isn't a matter of optimizing. It's a matter of fixing the bugs. Optimizing is getting it to run better on cards that can already run it. And right now the priority is getting more support for more cards, like yours. But everyone is complaining that their card can run it, but it runs at <1 fps. That's why I said, optimizing is not the problem now.

The only choice is to either wait for hampa to fix it, or get a new graphics card. If you can't get a new one, you'll have to use 2.x graphics until shaders are made available for your card. And note that this does not mean that hampa will be able to add support to ANY card. For example, he probably won't be able to add support for FX5200, because it does not completely support shaders 2.0, or OpenGL 2.0. Support for it would need a massive rewrite of the graphics engine, and it isn't something that easy to do, and would probably halt ANY other further progress by a fair bit. Now do you prefer to have a game that's getting new stuff added daily, but because (at the moment, who knows what you might get for Christmas or whatever) you can't get a new graphics card it won't run, or a game that's been in development freeze for 3 months just to add support for a specific card?

Keep in mind you still have 2.x graphics. You don't need shaders. They probably aren't even wanted. The only reason you want them is because they're knew and they look good. But since your card can't run them, even if it did, the fps drop would be major and you wouldn't want to play with them.

Seriously, ask your parents for a graphics card that's new enough, or save up for one, and keep using 2.x graphics until then. By then the shaders will also be optimized enough for you to play it good enough with a low-end graphics card, and gameplay stuff will be added too, because they won't have to spend agers to add support for older cards.

I don't see the big deal with 2.x graphics. I think they're fine. Granted, cell-shading gets mighty annoying after some time, but it isn't that bad.

I checked my stats, my card does support shaders 2.0
So stop telling me my card is just too old That's not the case. It's a good card. *pets the card*

http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=25

That proves it, I think.

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonx600/specs.html

It's the same case as the FX5200. While it supports shaders, it doesn't completely. A hardware bug so to speak. Which makes hampa have to make a fix for it. And if you read my post, making fixes for every possible card in existence would be impossible, and you saving up for a new card, with 2.x graphics in the meantime would be better for EVERYONE. Heck, if you need shaders for screen-shots, you can always PM me, and I'll help you.

I wish I could use shaders but I don't even know how to get all this computer stuff.

There it says: 'Shaders 2.0'. Why do you think it doesn't completely support them? Just because there's some feature called 'SmartShaders'? Nah, whatever.
I'm getting fed up with this. At first: 'Cries, your card is just too old', now 'Cries, yeah, your card does support shaders 2.0 but not completely for no apparent reason'. At first my card was too old, now there's some strange hardware - bug. Can you at least understand that I'm a bit confused now?

No. It says SMARTSHADERS 2.0. Not the same thing. My old FX5200 has SmartShader 2.0, yet it has no support for Shaders 2.0 whatsoever. That's like saying a Java program is exactly the same thing as Javascript.

And keep in mind, that almost half of the features that it says it has sometimes, it doesn't usually have. My old FX5200 shows up as having OpenGL 2.1. No clue why. But it doesn't. That's the bug I'm talking about.

For a card to be classed as supporting a specific feature, it must have decent performance in something like 50% of its functions. Not 100%. That means some card lack a certain part that's needed for TB. Usually it's simply a matter of drivers, but not always.

However, you shouldn't confused. Why? Because the main point is it won't work. Bear with the 2.x graphics, wait until hampa releases a fix. If he can't fix it, then get a new card. Simple as that. Not enough money for a new card? Then somehow I think you might have better things to do than play Toribash.


God, I can't imagine what support 'problems' new games like Bioshock would get if they were this open. "MY FX4000 WUN RUN BISHOCK FIX NW R I NGRY!!!!121@!#$&!@*(#!@!11"

I didn't refer to smartshaders.
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=25

Whatever.

And that's what I meant. Sometimes it's not correct. Most times according to my experience, but I can't say it's the same for everyone.

hey guys, i've got a ati radeon 9600 series, the shaders should work !

**EDIT** They work now.

servers.upd needs to be download and Not all updates were downloaded what does this mean?