Originally Posted by firebolty

There's haram food and halal food.
To make something halal, the animal must be cut in a certain way so that the animal wouldn't feel too much pain. The person cutting the animal must also recite a special prayer, which supposedly, guides the animal to heaven.

Eating haram food is a sin for muslims.
Haram= Anything to do with pigs, gelatin, and any meat that isn't halal.

Originally Posted by Hyde

Their religious beliefs do not matter. Say if my religion demands I toss 40 virgins into a volcano every new moon, it doesn't mean its less barbaric then murdering 40 virgins by tossing them into a volcano normally, does it?

Cutting anythings throat, special prayer or not, it still causes excruciating amounts of pain.

Originally Posted by Hyde

Their religious beliefs do not matter. Say if my religion demands I toss 40 virgins into a volcano every new moon, it doesn't mean its less barbaric then murdering 40 virgins by tossing them into a volcano normally, does it?

Cutting anythings throat, special prayer or not, it still causes excruciating amounts of pain.

Originally Posted by Yagamai

No shit animals can feel pain. Did I say otherwise? Are cows human? No. The abstract concept of 'humane' does not apply to them.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Don't infract people because you don't get your way.

Animals do not survive by rational thought (nor by sign languages allegedly taught to them by psychologists). They survive through sensory-perceptual association and the pleasure-pain mechanism. They cannot reason.

They cannot learn a code of ethics. A lion is not immoral for eating a zebra (or even for attacking a man). Predation is their natural and only means of survival; they do not have the capacity to learn any other.

Animals are not volitional beings. Animals do not have rights.

Rather than reply to this with your emotional 'but look at the cow, it's in pain' bullshit, actually think about what I've said.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Something that has been repeatedly proven untrue and should be obvious to the naked eye, I will also be infracting people who do this. "Don't get your way" my ass, anybody who claims the animal doesn't suffer is trolling or is arguing for the sake of arguing.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Are you actually taking the stance that because animals kill other animals to survive and don't have a code of ethics that it's okay to cause them pain?

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Also amused at how you pretend to know anything about this subject and assert as fact that animals are not volitional beings (lolwat, since when do animals not have free will?) or use reason (hahahah no) despite being completely wrong about both of those.

Condescending attitudes are usually compensation for weak arguments.

On a side note: Do not threaten people just because they disagree.

Are you saying that no circumstance is it ok to cause an animal pain?

Religiously speaking animals do not have free will. And since this is a religious debate, you should be more sensitive to many thousand year old rituals and beliefs.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

"It's tradition" has always been and always will be a strawman, doing it for thousands of years does not make it right.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

That's not a matter of disagreeing, it's clearly established that they suffer.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Strawman, random leaps of logic are not counterarguments. He is arguing that you can justify hurting/eating animals on the grounds that they do as well. This is specific to preying and eating, as is made obvious by his post. That is a poor excuse.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

This is not a religious debate at all. This is a debate over whether Halal slaughter is acceptable. Whether it is okay on religious grounds has not even been brought into the discussion as justifying cruelty on the grounds that an omnipotent and omniscient wants you to is ridiculous, regardless of your beliefs. I don't see how animals don't have free will from any perspective, even that of a 2000 year old book which regularly personifies animals.
I will not be sensitive to or tolerate practices like these. "It's tradition" has always been and always will be a strawman, doing it for thousands of years does not make it right. If it turns out that slaughterhouses are worse (odlov's link is quite interesting, too) I will disapprove of both.

Originally Posted by Gormin

The alternative is a couple of thousand volts, anyone who claims there is a painless way of killing animals is trolling or arguing for the sake of arguing.