HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by Zorath View Post
i never said that, but YES. its a horrible thing to do.
you cant win againts violence with violence... its a true.

This isn't a five year old schoolyard fight, this is eliminating threats to national security and mass murderers. It is entirely the right thing to do.
Originally Posted by Zorath
you can win againts someone weack with violence, thats something difrent, and something horrible wich humanity has been doing for all the times.

Did you just imply bin laden was a victim? .........
Originally Posted by Zorath
so barack obama should return his nobel prizes and recongnize that he doesnt deserved it.

He did say that he didn't deserve it. Why are you attacking him for winning a prize? It's not like he had any influence over whether it went to him or another person.
Originally Posted by Zorath
after that start to educate his ppl to stop being assholes.

Shouldn't your country be doing that?
It's pretty offensive to say that celebrating the death of a renowned terrorist is being an asshole. It implies that killing him in an armed conflict, where he was firing at U.S. troops, is somehow morally wrong. It's not, he deserved to die for what he did.
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Hey look more than two lines.
boredpayne:
Originally Posted by Zorath
i never said that, but YES. its a horrible thing to do.
you cant win againts violence with violence... its a true.

boredpayne:
This isn't a five year old schoolyard fight, this is eliminating threats to national security and mass murderers. It is entirely the right thing to do.
well, you are uninformed my dear friend, you can keep buying the new york times..but there is other point of view in other countrys.
why osama atack USA? think about that. why they would do that...
its revenge! is the same as U.S.A take irak and afganistan. killing thousands civilians.

Originally Posted by Zorath
you can win againts someone weack with violence, thats something difrent, and something horrible wich humanity has been doing for all the times.
Boredpayne:
Did you just imply bin laden was a victim? .........

Bin laden was a victim of murder, is a fact. was he guilty? yes. im not tryng to justificate osama's actions. i just think that kill him , invading lands and economically exploit the situation , is not the way that well civilizated ppl should take.

Originally Posted by Zorath
so barack obama should return his nobel prizes and recongnize that he doesnt deserved it.
boredpayne:
He did say that he didn't deserve it. Why are you attacking him for winning a prize? It's not like he had any influence over whether it went to him or another person.

i didnt knew that. but i am not attaking him, anyway his just a puppet from the large corporations. wich are extremly casual, arms deals, that i criticize is the nobel prize, its a joke!.

Originally Posted by Zorath
after that start to educate his ppl to stop being assholes.
boredpayne:
Shouldn't your country be doing that?
It's pretty offensive to say that celebrating the death of a renowned terrorist is being an asshole. It implies that killing him in an armed conflict, where he was firing at U.S. troops, is somehow morally wrong. It's not, he deserved to die for what he did.

this its too much deep
. in my country, argentina, we dont have death sentence, we considere that , a violation of humans rigths.
you are a violent nation from my point of view.
oh... and no americans get hurted in the conflict... i heard. that he was unarmed.. but who can knows.. its all so doubtful.
Last edited by ivan; May 5, 2011 at 06:53 AM.
Originally Posted by Zorath View Post
well, you are uninformed my dear friend, you can keep buying the new york times..but there is other point of view in other countrys.
why osama atack USA? think about that. why they would do that...
its revenge! is the same as U.S.A take irak and afganistan. killing thousands civilians.

Haha, people universally agree that 9/11 was nowhere near justified. He planned it because he was an extremist and wanted American influence out of the middle east.
Learn to use quote tags.

Originally Posted by Zorath
Bin laden was a victim of murder, is a fact. was he guilty? yes. im not tryng to justificate osama's actions. i just think that kill him , invading lands and economically exploit the situation , is not the way that well civilizated ppl should take.

Nope. The legal definition of murder does not include military actions by soldiers in wartime. Fyi, we invaded on faulty intelligence indicating that Iraq had nuclear weapons, and then stayed their to track down terrorists. It was hardly a premeditated conquering of the area. And I'd love to see what evidence you have of economic exploitation.
Originally Posted by Zorath
i didnt knew that. but i am not attaking him, anyway his just a puppet from the large corporations. wich are extremly casual, arms deals, that i criticize is the nobel prize, its a joke!.

This is just silly. How on earth is a president anyone's puppet? Here's a good answer: he isn't. Special interest groups can lobby and throw money to try and influence the decision, but they have no control over legislature in the end.

Also, the nobel peace prize is highly politicized. It was given to Barack Obama to encourage him to be peaceful in the first place.
Originally Posted by Zorath
this its too much deep
. in my country, argentina, we dont have death sentence, we considere that , a violation of humans rigths.

You don't get to call people assholes because you disagree, even about an issue such as this. I highly doubt that Argentina would refrain from neutralizing enemy attackers. Would you just sit there and let them bomb you?
Originally Posted by Zorath
you are a violent nation from my point of view.
oh... and no americans get hurted in the conflict... i heard. that he was unarmed.. but who can knows.. its all so doubtful.

Every scenario printed in the news says he went down fighting or was already dead.
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Hey look more than two lines.
boredpayne... i think will never get an agree.. our point of view are just too diffrent... just think about this.. americans was the first country using nuclear bombs. hiroyima.
you can keep lieng to yourself.. but information its being too much .. so fast. we all will know the true... if you think. that you know everything... time will probe that you dont.
U.S.A has been supported military dictatoriship for all america latina.
and a murder its a murder..
you sound like.. its not a murder couse we are americans... and we are the rule!
The newz lie.. thats a fact.. here is the probe: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13274176.

i agree i shouldnt called you assholes... but my feeling where so strong.. im sory.

but really this goes out of the point.. i invite you to keep talking this via pm.
and you can tell me where learn to use qoutes.. i think they doesnt work properly in firefox
Last edited by ivan; May 5, 2011 at 01:20 PM.
American justice: http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

It's disgusting IMO.
'You destroyed 2 towers that we made, so we'll start a war that will destroy you.'


I don't know how reliable that site it, but I assume it gives a basic idea of what happened.
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Terror of bullshit
Americans are the ones terrorising the world not some efing bullshit exCIA group called "Al Qaeda" (why):
  • Because of their World-Wide propoganda
  • Because of their B*shit wallstreet trades
  • They're actually spending more money on "defensive-offensive war for oil...i mean justice" than on people healthcare on their country
Originally Posted by Hippybob View Post
American justice: http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

It's disgusting IMO.
'You destroyed 2 towers that we made, so we'll start a war that will destroy you.'


I don't know how reliable that site it, but I assume it gives a basic idea of what happened.

:S that numbers are so creepy. i hope that wasnt true.

Originally Posted by latvianguy View Post
Americans are the ones terrorising the world not some efing bullshit exCIA group called "Al Qaeda" (why):
  • Because of their World-Wide propoganda

when you sell a bad product. millions can buy it before know that its bad...
but once everyone has buyed it.. everyone knows that is bad.
if you make a lot of propaganda for a bad product. then your company lose credit.
so go out there and celebrate a murder. it doesnt look like good propaganda.
personaly this influenced me in an opositive site.
Last edited by ivan; May 5, 2011 at 06:38 PM.
Originally Posted by Facade View Post
Basically, you're saying us celebrating the death of a notorious terrorist that have killed hundreds, even thousands is a horrible thing to do? We're not celebrating murder, we're celebrating justice.

Originally Posted by Marco View Post
Bin Laden didn't lead shit, he was more symbolic than anything else. Al Qaeda will still operate.

Originally Posted by Marco View Post
Haha, fuck off, shooting this dickhole was the best thing America has done in decades.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
This isn't a five year old schoolyard fight, this is eliminating threats to national security and mass murderers. It is entirely the right thing to do.

Did you just imply bin laden was a victim? .........
He did say that he didn't deserve it. Why are you attacking him for winning a prize? It's not like he had any influence over whether it went to him or another person.
Shouldn't your country be doing that?
It's pretty offensive to say that celebrating the death of a renowned terrorist is being an asshole. It implies that killing him in an armed conflict, where he was firing at U.S. troops, is somehow morally wrong. It's not, he deserved to die for what he did.

Originally Posted by Zorath View Post
:S that numbers are so creepy. i hope that wasnt true.

[/LIST]when you sell a bad product. millions can buy it before know that its bad...
but once everyone has buyed it.. everyone knows that is bad.
if you make a lot of propaganda for a bad product. then your company lose credit.
so go out there and celebrate a murder. it doesnt look like good propaganda.
personaly this influenced me in an opositive site.

Hey, man, what you said actually brang me to realize that you're the only person ever, who successed making the answer i was waiting for.

With all respect, would you like to discuss this topic privatelly?

To make this more comfortable - lets make it like a simple task success/fail simulation about this conversation. Cause i feel that more conversaitions with different oppinions will lead us to wiser way to think of things that influence our life(s).

Write me PM(Personal Message) to accept my offer(request if you like) and also forgive me in my lame knowledge in "comunicating in english", cause i am The latvianguy!

Peace
I think this is probably fake and just a cover up of Obama's fail for sending over 36k troops over to Afghanistan or whatever, and is just scaring the other countries, and Osama the world's Hide and go seek Champion is still probably out there plotting another bombing, or laughing at the news.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
It's pretty offensive to say that celebrating the death of a renowned terrorist is being an asshole. It implies that killing him in an armed conflict, where he was firing at U.S. troops, is somehow morally wrong. It's not, he deserved to die for what he did.

The fact of the matter is, the US went in to the middle east with intent to murder people. If they wanted justice, they would have taken Bin Laden and had a court case. Instead they stormed a man's house, and shot him in his bedroom. You think they had any reason to slaughter him on the spot? Do you think a squad of seals could have over powered Bin Laden? I think they easily could have.

The US was not after justice, they were after murder.

Besides that, the US designated the 'terrorists' as illegal combatants, and thus the US employed torture, and targeted civilian targets with this justification. Hence, both sides employed ILLEGAL tactics. The US however slaughtered far more civilians.

Maybe Bin Laden deserved to die for what he did, but since he was never arrested, and tried by a court, nor sentenced to any punishment, we will never truly know. No justice was served.

It is morally wrong for anyone to think that the US is in the right in this matter.