HTOTM: FUSION
My mistake, I had heard from somebody that there was no weapons permit in CO. Sorry for my mistake. I will fix the post. I do not think that people should carry ridiculous weapons and such. I just think that gun control should stay basically as it is and not tighten down like most people are suggesting.
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I made a mistake in my original post. I meant weapons that are currently legal in the states, but not legal elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by RayA75 View Post
Found a neat little study published by the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. It seems to corroborate with my claims that there's more to the situation than "less guns makes for less crime."

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

i find this funny because i just found a study that states the exact opposite.
http://www.squidoo.com/moregunsequalslesscrime


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...e-report-shows.

"After several years of crime rates holding relatively steady, the FBI is reporting that violent crimes – including gun crimes – dropped dramatically in the first six months of 2009, with murder down 10 percent across the US as a whole."


if anything guns are not really directly correlated to crime.... its probably much more based on the situation... if we think about this logically a bad economy leads to more crime. The environment is probably a bigger factor than guns or no guns
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Oracle, I get your displeasure on redneck gun lovin' white trash that thinks it is a right not a priveledge, I do. But you're pro full ban on firearms because of these people and that's plain wrong, there shouldn't be a black and white point of view regarding something so complex like this.
There are americans that loves guns, that practices with them, hunts, teaches and so on. They appreciate the value of it as a tool, like I or any artist would appreciate the value of a pencil or a brush. There are people who knows how to handle them, knows when to use them, and have the right mentality to do great good with it. Not everyone are trigger happy morons who thinks they have the right to walk with AKs into a store.

I'm just saying there is a middle term, I don't understand how you can support full lifting of gun possession.
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Originally Posted by PlagueDoc View Post
Oracle, I get your displeasure on redneck gun lovin' white trash that thinks it is a right not a priveledge, I do. But you're pro full ban on firearms because of these people and that's plain wrong, there shouldn't be a black and white point of view regarding something so complex like this.
There are americans that loves guns, that practices with them, hunts, teaches and so on. They appreciate the value of it as a tool, like I or any artist would appreciate the value of a pencil or a brush. There are people who knows how to handle them, knows when to use them, and have the right mentality to do great good with it. Not everyone are trigger happy morons who thinks they have the right to walk with AKs into a store.

I'm just saying there is a middle term, I don't understand how you can support full lifting of gun possession.

I know there are people who are not idiots and are enthusiastic about guns. I know quite a few of them, and I'm mildly interested in them as well. I nearly threw a fit when I realized I didn't even have enough money recently to buy a Mosin Naganat for only 80 bucks. I'm still pissed at myself for that.

I just like arguing viewpoints, regardless if they fit my actual opinions. I'm actually for moderate gun control, where only logical sport and hunting rifles and pistols are for sale (single shot guns). I don't see why anybody should really need to be able to fire off 30, 20, 15, 6, or even 2 rounds in quick succession in a civilian environment. Even in hunting. If you don't hit your mark on your first shot, tough luck, I don't want you spraying like a maniac after the fleeing prey in a desperate attempt to not have wasted your entire afternoon stuck in a tree getting eaten to death by mosquitoes.

However, if I can successfully argue a complete and total ban on guns, I can successfully argue a moderate increase in gun control.
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Bumping this thread because of the Oregon shooting and Obama's pleads for gun control.
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
I don't see why anybody should really need XYZ

This logic is far too general: "if you don't need it, ban it". Should we apply the same to cars, knives, shoes, tea towels, washing machines, etc?
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
This logic is far too general: "if you don't need it, ban it". Should we apply the same to cars, knives, shoes, tea towels, washing machines, etc?

Okay this is just almost funny.
All of the things you mentioned here are far more useful than guns excluding tea towels. We wear shoes every day, use cars every day and same generally goes for washing machines and knives. If anything you are being far too general. IMO we don't need guns, and if you argue that we do, please realize how useless guns are for most day to day people.(aside from those who hunt and the police, as well as the military.).

Hell even knives are more useful than guns, the last three places I have worked have used knives every day for cutting food and boxes. Have not seen a gun in a month or two and I'm glad I haven't.
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The point was that they are not necessary. He is criticising Oracle's logic, not gun control. If Oracle had pointed out that guns are less necessary than all the other stuff we are allowed to use and more dangerous relative to this necessity then I think it would have been less likely that Pig would of brought it up.
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