Okay, I just finished reading the bill in one sitting. Though I dislike the possibilities for the flow of information (info sharing is encouraged to be mutual, gorman, not government to private equity necessarily), the bill does specifically say that the federal government cannot take any actions that do not involve pointing and screaming, that alone takes away every issue I could possibly have. I still don't know why there needs to be a specific bill for big brother to send information down to private equities or vice versa, but since the bill kind of stops at that, then it seems to be more of a technical issue than a change in privacy.
Guess I'm converted.
Guess I'm converted.
<&Fish>: did you just infract the toribot?
<&Fish>: you're fired
<&Fish>: you're fired
<JSnuffMARS> sounds like a drug-addiction or mastu(I'll censor that word)
<bishopONE>: also yeah fisting
<mwah> Gynx is it true you got admin over hero because hes from pakistan
Ok lets see that under another angle :
It basically allows companies to ask/get (private) informations about anyone, with the help of the government's intelligence.
You're saying it's in case of eventual "cyberthreat", but there is no "cyber terrorism" against random people like you and me, and there will never be, that's not a bill to protect citizens. Cyberthreats in CISPA language could mean spying the bank account of big companies to investigate shady business between multiple companies, or companies and politics; or it could be simply hacking the home-page of a company's website to denounce some really nasty business. If you think about A "cyber-threat" taking the whole country's electricity down à la die hard 4, it is just plain fantasy.
And, keep in mind that in USA, politics' campaigns are founded by private parts, companies, lobbies etc... Means politics have to answer to the people who gave them money before they have to answer to their citizen. And the people who give them money can be nasty companies who don't give a fuck about random citizens and just want to make more money.
Lets illustrate with a fictionnal exemple :
A reporter or citizen with "hacking skills" who wants to denounce the action of Monsanto (evil food lobby), for the sake of humanity's health and future, might have to illegaly go through their system to find irregularities, or links between them and politics (money money money). The guys who wanted to expose the truth for the sake of everyone will fall under the CISPA bill and get fucked in the ass because he wanted to make the world better.
And then the gigantic Monsanto will quietly continue to monopolize the food and GMO industry and poison people who try to stop it.
Thank you CISPA
(that's not the only bad side, you can find plenty if you think a bit further than your noze)
It basically allows companies to ask/get (private) informations about anyone, with the help of the government's intelligence.
You're saying it's in case of eventual "cyberthreat", but there is no "cyber terrorism" against random people like you and me, and there will never be, that's not a bill to protect citizens. Cyberthreats in CISPA language could mean spying the bank account of big companies to investigate shady business between multiple companies, or companies and politics; or it could be simply hacking the home-page of a company's website to denounce some really nasty business. If you think about A "cyber-threat" taking the whole country's electricity down à la die hard 4, it is just plain fantasy.
And, keep in mind that in USA, politics' campaigns are founded by private parts, companies, lobbies etc... Means politics have to answer to the people who gave them money before they have to answer to their citizen. And the people who give them money can be nasty companies who don't give a fuck about random citizens and just want to make more money.
Lets illustrate with a fictionnal exemple :
A reporter or citizen with "hacking skills" who wants to denounce the action of Monsanto (evil food lobby), for the sake of humanity's health and future, might have to illegaly go through their system to find irregularities, or links between them and politics (money money money). The guys who wanted to expose the truth for the sake of everyone will fall under the CISPA bill and get fucked in the ass because he wanted to make the world better.
And then the gigantic Monsanto will quietly continue to monopolize the food and GMO industry and poison people who try to stop it.
Thank you CISPA
(that's not the only bad side, you can find plenty if you think a bit further than your noze)
Last edited by deprav; Apr 22, 2013 at 06:41 PM.
Originally Posted by deprav
Ok lets see that under another angle :
It basically allows companies to ask/get (private) informations about anyone, with the help of the government's intelligence.
You're saying it's in case of eventual "cyberthreat", but there is no "cyber terrorism" against random people like you and me, and there will never be, that's not a bill to protect citizens. Cyberthreats in CISPA language could mean spying the bank account of big companies to investigate shady business between multiple companies, or companies and politics; or it could be simply hacking the home-page of a company's website to denounce some really nasty business. If you think about A "cyber-threat" taking the whole country's electricity down à la die hard 4, it is just plain fantasy.
And, keep in mind that in USA, politics' campaigns are founded by private parts, companies, lobbies etc... Means politics have to answer to the people who gave them money before they have to answer to their citizen. And the people who give them money can be nasty companies who don't give a fuck about random citizens and just want to make more money.
Lets illustrate with a fictionnal exemple :
A reporter or citizen with "hacking skills" who wants to denounce the action of Monsanto (evil food lobby), for the sake of humanity's health and future, might have to illegaly go through their system to find irregularities, or links between them and politics (money money money). The guys who wanted to expose the truth for the sake of everyone will fall under the CISPA bill and get fucked in the ass because he wanted to make the world better.
And then the gigantic Monsanto will quietly continue to monopolize the food and GMO industry and poison people who try to stop it.
Thank you CISPA
(that's not the only bad side, you can find plenty if you think a bit further than your noze)
No, please read the bill before spouting your garbage.
Doing illegal things for "good" reasons is still illegal.
It's pretty well-established that this bill isn't directed at people, and it seems to be used primarily to protect the companies themselves from cyberthreats. That said, if they could give a more concrete explanation of what constitutes a cyberthreat, that would help, as well as completely voiding deprav's scenario.
<&Fish>: did you just infract the toribot?
<&Fish>: you're fired
<&Fish>: you're fired
<JSnuffMARS> sounds like a drug-addiction or mastu(I'll censor that word)
<bishopONE>: also yeah fisting
<mwah> Gynx is it true you got admin over hero because hes from pakistan
Gorman/Cow, Please explain how what I wrote isn't credible.
Bills like this are never to protect people, thinking otherwise is being very naïve.
You're a soul-less piece of turd.
If we want to live, people need to do the right things, not necessarily the legal thing.
Bills like this are never to protect people, thinking otherwise is being very naïve.
"Doing illegal things for "good" reasons is still illegal.
You're a soul-less piece of turd.
If we want to live, people need to do the right things, not necessarily the legal thing.
History (nazism involved)
