Toribash
I see where you are coming from, but would that make it ok? There are different circumstances for suicide. I can see if someone was really old and was ready to die and wanted to commit suicide, but if you are young and just have a sense of self pitty, you need to continue on until you are ready to die. Life isn't something to throw away. No one knows past ot or before it, so live it to the fullest.
Chickster: I literally don't know why I did it.
I don't think you understand the point of suicide.
It is to end your life earlier, not when you're already dying. Suicide can be the optimal choice in a life anyway, a life of torture or a long life of torture. Your choice.

And a lot of the time, it isn't because of teen angst but because of poor living conditions. Regardless, you shouldn't be telling people what they do with their life. If someone told me they wanted to kill themself I'd hand them a gun and tell them to do what they want, even if I disagreed. Because I'm in no position to say what they can and can't do.
Originally Posted by Organs View Post
I don't think you understand the point of suicide.
It is to end your life earlier, not when you're already dying. Suicide can be the optimal choice in a life anyway, a life of torture or a long life of torture. Your choice.

And a lot of the time, it isn't because of teen angst but because of poor living conditions. Regardless, you shouldn't be telling people what they do with their life. If someone told me they wanted to kill themself I'd hand them a gun and tell them to do what they want, even if I disagreed. Because I'm in no position to say what they can and can't do.

Hold up here. You understand what suicide is like? 0_o Explain that to me. You would hand someone a gun because they asked for it? What? So, you would assist suicide? I thought it was their decision.
Chickster: I literally don't know why I did it.
Originally Posted by -Link View Post
Hold up here. You understand what suicide is like? 0_o Explain that to me. You would hand someone a gun because they asked for it? What? So, you would assist suicide? I thought it was their decision.

Isn't that what I just said?
I didn't say I understand what suicide is like, but I've had a friend commit suicide. stop shoving words into my mouth.
I don't think you understand the point of suicide

I was assuming you did. ;O sorry about that
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Chickster: I literally don't know why I did it.
Originally Posted by -Link View Post
I was assuming you did. ;O

Those don't mean the same thing.
The point = Why
What it's like = Experience

Don't assume things, just go by what people say so you don't look so ignorant.
I have helped out a few suicidal people on the Internet a while ago I got to be pretty good friends with two of them and one of them tried to kill himself once or twice in that time (it gave a whole new worry to when someone doesn't reply to a text when they could actually be dead). He eventually got better and although I don't know if he is happy now (he got a therapist and outside help) he gave me a genuine thanks for making a difference in his life. The fact that he thanked me would suggest to me that he is glad that he didn't actually ever succeed so I would suggest that people who are depressed try everything and fight depression as hard as they can to see if they can be happy. (The other person is also fine but she wasn't as bad to start with).

Happiness is such a wonderful feeling and I don't think it is worth giving it up ever to end suffering. I think I have heard that people who survive suicide attempts by jumping off things (which gives them time to thing and is possible to survive in 1 out of a million cases) life bridges tend to say that they regretted jumping during their fall so I think suicide is unwise.

I am sorry about the unstructured mess which this post is but I kind of just wanted to tell people that suicide is not the only solution.
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Originally Posted by Organs View Post
If someone told me they wanted to kill themself I'd hand them a gun and tell them to do what they want, even if I disagreed. Because I'm in no position to say what they can and can't do.

Although your point is valid and I understand your argument that we should be free to do what we want I would suggest that the argument falls down when by handing over the gun you are changing the victim's family's life. There are differences in circumstance which change the scenario but generally advise should be acceptable.

If someone who was happy with their life came and told me they had bought loads of heroin and cocain which they intended to take soon I would advise against it from a utilitarian perspective that it would lead to unhappiness. I wouldn't stop them because in the end it is their choice but it would be a risky and possibly unwise choice so I would tell them about some things they might not have considered to make sure their decision was thought out and well informed because otherwise they could make a very costly mistake.

I have said more about my view in my previous comment but I just thought I would say some more in meditation of your suggestion.

Thank you for reading.
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Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
I think you need to recognize there's two types of people that commit suicide. The whole temporary solution to a permanent problem type, and the logical type.

If you're dying of a fatal disease and you're told by your doctor they've exhausted all thier options to cure you and they tell you to go home, put your affairs in order, you're going to die and it's going to be long, painful, expensive, hard on you and hard on your family. What do you do in that situation? For many people, logical people, it's an obvious choice.

euthanasia is when they run out of options to cure and you decide to end your pain beforehand because it's worthless to wait for nothing literally. contrary to suicide, in these cases you are unable to do almost any action, which makes it more a physical problem than mental. if there was a cure to fix your physical you'd most likely still have hopes, and euthanasia wouldn't be one of your options. i have a relative who is currently on a vegetative state; he can't talk, see or move, but he's still alive. unfortunately i'm not close enough to him/that part of the family to know more about this situation.

speaking of families/friends, it would be guaranteed that they would know that you were in a horrible situation (which is totally understandable, since it could have been an accident or a coma), and since there's no way out of a permanent vegetative state, they would support you on your final decision.

now in suicide it's a bit more different in that aspect (at least this is how i see it): since suicide is mostly based on a personal mental point of view of life ("i have no reason to life", "my life sucks", "i can't go on like this"), and if your family/friends have never thought/knew that you see the world that way, obviously it will be shocking for them when they hear their son/daughter/friend is dead, because they weren't aware of the situation you were going through.

if you share these suicidal thoughts with your friend (assuming this friend is a good and supportive friend), he'll most likely convince you that things can work in other ways other than being pessimist. of course this doesn't always go right, depending on how your friend convinces you to change your mind and on how weak or strong you are about this.

among your family, if you are close to them, they'll probably help you out the same way as your friend, but sometimes some people aren't comfortable with their families to talk about their problems like that. this, and possibly not having any close friends to rely on can make you feel and think in a pessimist way, which can lead to suicidal thoughts (and think of it like it's the only way out of your misery).

apart from social conditions, it can also depend a lot on your living conditions, such as poverty, or any other decadent aspects.

to conclude, i agree that people should be free to decide if they want to kill themselves, as long as it's not just an attention call or a rushed decision. there might be other ways out
I think they regretted suicide by fall because that is one of the most intense feelings they would experience If they survived, not a quiet way to go your adrenaline is shot into you, the butterflies, NO turning back, and the asphalt that you see at the bottom.

People shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their lives, They Can Live How They Want though. if they are chemically imbalanced help them, if they had a tough child hood listen and understand, their environment could be pure shut and the only thing you can do I remove themselves from that place. Life Is life don't let others throw it away so easily no matter the circumstance.
When a kid kills himself you do know how devastating it is to everyone who knew them, it's depressing and it hurts and I think the person who suicides would turn back on that decision staring into The eyes of his family and all their shattered hearts as he was the one to scar the soul of the mother dad or anyone who loved em

To see you're alive in a galaxy of millions upon millions of stars in the vastness of deepspace
Its nothing short of a miracle your a live with thought
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I remember reading something that they interviewed like 100 people that had attempted suicide by jumping from a bridge. All 100 said that halfway down they realized all the petty problems they were doing it over seemed very little, and they wished they didn't do it. Just a thought, even when you think your life sucks, it's always better than ending it.