HTOTM: FUSION
first of all religions represent peace (Islam/Christianity/Judaism/and others) but there is always the blood-thirsty people and we don't find that in Islam only, if we go back to history there are the crusaders who slathered thousands and thousands of Muslims before, and the examples are many to be listed (no offend to Christians).
So the problem comes with the ways of the Americans and the western people,in america it is mentally okay to smoke weed,drink alcohol,have sex(which is actually bad),Muslims have a strict rules/guides to make people free from the addiction of lust(for the Americans/western people they have no lust control)
example:
Ramadan:a holy month when Muslims fast from the break of dawn until the sunset(no food/no water/no sex) a video that shows the difference in English here
but in the qaida and isis prolem we find that these people has nothing comong with the religion islam
example:
jihad a niqah: (for the isis) a women have to offer her body (sexually) to a solder or mujahid
and here again we find the problem of the media publishing nonsense and that doesn't include just Muslims/Arabes but also Australians and Americans themselves
example:
americans/'MURICANs: people of the racism land and democracy(feel the sarcasm here),white fat kids with nothing as a brain(no offense)
so the problem here is that a bunch of people killing innocents in the name of Islam and God.
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How can you not mean to cause offence while stereotyping Americans as fat white kids with no brains? The idea that you could ever expect people to not be offended by such an insult shows a large lack if understanding of others. You start off by saying that people will use religion as an excuse for war even if they need to misinterpret religious teachings to do so, I completely agree with that. But then you go on to try to blame western civilisations excessive and lustful living style for the acts of ISIS. I am not sure if you are claiming that Westerners inspired ISIS or provoked it but either way you are slightly mistaken.

How does the fact that ISIS breaks the same muslin guidelines as westerners mean that ISIS must have been copying America? Lust is a human trait and the existence of rules to stop lust proves that humans naturally act lustful unless they are told not to do so (in this case by Islam). ISIS simply tries to force women to do what they want because they are greedy, and greed is part of human nature, regardless of how much the West has embraced it.

The only problem here is that humanity has lots of bad people in it who don't want to listen to others and instead let themselves be misled into believing that violence is the answer. This is the same for any culture, as long as we continue to demonise other nations or religions, there will be religious hatred and violence. You can't place blame on a specific group of people.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
This is the same for any culture, as long as we continue to demonise other nations or religions, there will be religious hatred and violence. You can't place blame on a specific group of people.

I think you can easily place a huge chunk of the blame for the problems that the Middle East is having today on the US and their interventionist foreign policy. Since the late 40s they've been destablising an already destablised area (dealing with the fallout from WWI) in the pursuance of their main vital interest (oil) by saying they're combating communism, or now, terrorism. They don't hate us because of our religion, or because of our freedoms. That's not why Osama did 9/11. They hate us because we're involved in their shit.

Continuing to stay involved in their shit, i.e. ISIS, is not going to de-escalate the situation. If we want to hope to make any progress at all, the first thing we need to do is get out of there and not be goaded into attacking them (like the beheading videos were so clearly trying to do). The govt. knew they were trying to goad us and yet the govt. went in. What does that tell us? It means that they wanted to go in there anyway. For what reason? The same reason the US has always intervened in the Middle East - vital interests, energy resources. Oil.

So if we take it as a given that the US will always intervene to try and secure their vital interests (as they always have), then what can be done about it? Well, the vital interest they're after is energy. Right now, energy means oil. We need to move away from oil dependency by innovating and funding new energy sources. The US could do this entirely by itself. Think about the insane amount of money that goes into funding its military against the wars on terror. Take a third (or even a tenth) of that and use that as incentive for all the world's scientists and other smart people to work on creating a better energy source. It would do a lot more to combat 'terror' than sending drones and bombs into Syria.
you are right dodix in western helping isis and I will tell you did somebody know the lizard squad hackers they hacked ps4 they were gonna kill sony boss and they putting isis flags and somepeople on twitter and #1 bad hackers they gave murica no offence
a bad sample of connection between murica and isis and you can find the lizard squad on twitter and there hacking and they are bad hackers and the fbi don't know where they are because they are the mother fu*c*ers
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Well, the vital interest they're after is energy. Right now, energy means oil. We need to move away from oil dependency by innovating and funding new energy sources. The US could do this entirely by itself. Think about the insane amount of money that goes into funding its military against the wars on terror. Take a third (or even a tenth) of that and use that as incentive for all the world's scientists and other smart people to work on creating a better energy source. It would do a lot more to combat 'terror' than sending drones and bombs into Syria.

*Claps slowly while shaking head* For once i have seen someone who knows how to take responsibility- and who knows where said responsibility lies- for their country. Yes, the only reason the US EVER gets involved in anything involving wars in the east it is because of who in the end will have control over the oil reserves. If it means making allies with the ones who are getting their asses whooped as long as there is noticeably high amount of oil in that region. The only times we have ever gone into a war without that reason was when the US was (at 3 separate times in history) attacked on its home ground/territory. Even in the Holocaust the US tried to deny all ties with the war in Europe until sadly Japan (an ally of Germany) attacked Pearl Harbor thus making it a personal matter of the country. The same can kind of be said with the ISIS group as they killed US born citizens on Camera and went as far as to broadcast the extinctions on the Web, thus technically making it a US matter. The oil problem only adds to the flames seeing how some countries around that area are our Main suppliers of Oil and if ISIS takes over these areas the Oil shipments will cease or decrease greatly meaning chaos for big Oil users like the US.

Yes you are right in saying that this problem can be stopped by reinventing some of the nations technology to use, safer, more efficient sources of power. Many people like you and Me have answers buzzing around in our heads, but for most of us our voices mean little for we are: 'young' 'unexperenced' 'ignorant' kids who dont know better. really some of the solutions given to me by people younger than 20 are logically better than those given by professional politicians in the Government. If we had a better source of power for things in the US we wouldn't need to be involved in wars that concern the possible cease in oil shipments. We need to stop getting involved in shit that is at this moment no real threat to the US. The US itself has its own oil reserves underground that can be used if emergency struck, And there are other sources of power that have been invented but they are not in large enough supply to be a long term thing. I say while the going is good for us we should fix that problem and quickly turn our main power source focus to something easily obtainable in the US.

I know Obama doesnt want to send any more people back into the east but, I have no clue why it has been taking so long for these ISIS rag-tag group to be put down even without ground troops. any neighboring country with half a decent army could stomp them out like a flame if they wanted to but they seem to know how to mind their own, even when its heading for their front doorstep.
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Originally Posted by moataz123 View Post
you are right dodix in western helping isis and I will tell you did somebody know the lizard squad hackers they hacked ps4 they were gonna kill sony boss and they putting isis flags and somepeople on twitter and #1 bad hackers they gave murica no offence
a bad sample of connection between murica and isis and you can find the lizard squad on twitter and there hacking and they are bad hackers and the fbi don't know where they are because they are the mother fu*c*ers

also Never listen to social media things like this being said here make you seem really stupid when it comes down to actual facts.
Last edited by Angel_old1; Nov 10, 2014 at 06:36 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Ok, America causes political unrest in the East by trying to steal their oil while intervening, this is a fair argument. But I doubt America is soley to blame for ISIS and similar extremist terror groups. I also doubt that oil is the only reason America has ever intervened in the Middle East, politicians will not only benefit from the resources gained from winning wars, but also from the popularity it would grant. The oil is a powerful incentive but not the only incentive. Although I agree that America's military spending is too damn high, maybe that much money would be a bit excessive for green power source research. I could condone large amounts of spending on efficient renewable power, but not when it replaces funding which could be put towards education and other government services (such as cheaper healthcare). We shouldn't kid ourselves that renewable energy will not create world peace, and I am sure you know this. However it will still help.

Thank you for reading.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
I am not sure if you are claiming that Westerners inspired ISIS or provoked it but either way you are slightly mistaken.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
dodix45: no one is saying this is a problem of Islam.

Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
Ok, America causes political unrest in the East by trying to steal their oil while intervening, this is a fair argument. But I doubt America is soley to blame for ISIS and similar extremist terror groups. I also doubt that oil is the only reason America has ever intervened in the Middle East, politicians will not only benefit from the resources gained from winning wars, but also from the popularity it would grant. The oil is a powerful incentive but not the only incentive. Although I agree that America's military spending is too damn high, maybe that much money would be a bit excessive for green power source research. I could condone large amounts of spending on efficient renewable power, but not when it replaces funding which could be put towards education and other government services (such as cheaper healthcare). We shouldn't kid ourselves that renewable energy will not create world peace, and I am sure you know this. However it will still help.

Thank you for reading.

so first of all Islam isn't the problem, the problem is the relation between the east and america, it is obvious that Americans are steeling oil while negotiating about peace, i already saw that same part repeat it self through history with different subjects,my point is that both america and the isis provoked each other but it started with the case of irak/sadam and also the Palestinian case (which is not a war but an extermination),and nobody can deny that England/america made some foolish decisions to satisfy their lusts (they wanted and ally in the east), and from the beginning of that war/extermination a hatred started growing in each Muslim chest against the Americans.
so if you want to end a problem don't take away its leafs, but take it from the roots.
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