Originally Posted by Ele
Your solution does all those things (which you admit, seeing as you're just saying they're not important). Your solution is clearly a bad idea.
I'm clearly saying it's a non-issue. How the fuck do you come to these conclusions? Why is radicalizing these people a bad thing when they can't reach us anymore? They can be radical elsewhere, I clearly wouldn't mind as long as Europeans aren't dying because of it.
If I were an Arab living in Europe, and I'd have to leave because of my people's predominant religion's extremists, I'd be more pissed at said extremists than my hosts.
I also added this to my previous post as an afterthought. Sorry for the edits all over the place.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jan 9, 2015 at 08:45 AM.
Originally Posted by ynvaser
I'm clearly saying it's a non-issue. How the fuck do you come to these conclusions?
I'm clearly saying, "WHY IS INCREASED TENSIONS, MORE RADICALS BEING CREATED AND WORSENED RELATIONS WITH THE EAST NOT IMPORTANT?".
Am I clear enough now?
Originally Posted by ynvaser
Why is radicalizing these people a bad thing when they can't reach us anymore?
So people who want to enter a country have no way of doing so without the host country's permission? Ah, of course.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 9, 2015 at 08:49 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
So people who want to enter a country have no way of doing so without the host country's permission? Ah, of course.
I don't know if you've ever been to Europe, but it's quite easy to tell if someone is European or, you know, an Arab. If, say, we sent them all home, and by miracle we still found one shopping for suicide vests at the hardware store or something, that would be quite easy to spot before something potentially bad could happen.
I think we are derailing this topic too much now. Let's agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by ynvaser
I don't know if you've ever been to Europe, but it's quite easy to tell if someone is European or, you know, an Arab. If, say, we sent them all home, and by miracle we still found one shopping for suicide vests at the hardware store or something, that would be quite easy to spot before something potentially bad could happen.
Because all terrorists buy their suicide vests are hardware stores? OK. Clearly you've thought this through. Your argument is 'if a miracle happens, it's easy to spot'. Not a good argument.
Aside from that, you still haven't countered my two other points. Why is raising tensions (both ethnic and diplomatic) and make more enemies not important?
We're not derailing this thread. I'm grilling you to defend your stupid solution and you keep skirting around it. If you know it's stupid, admit it is, and then we can move on.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 9, 2015 at 09:01 AM.
Originally Posted by Lazors
Who's gonna pay? Do you honestly mean killing/deporting innocent people as collateral is justified for getting back at a few fundamentalists?
whaaaaaat? who said "killing" or "deporting" people? Pay here, for me sure, mean, Islam have to take it upon themselves, and reac in another way than say "we apologie." they should know what radical islam don't like or a features in there text who can contractic what they are doing, they are the most proximate of what radical islam is, because there religion are based on the same text, with same names (coran, Muhammad etc...)
Originally Posted by Lazors
Do you understand what fundamentalism is? Please tell me you know islam and christianity originated from the same texts.
As for the "violent things" you were talking about, i have a nice link here.
What you need to understand is that they exist in both christianity and islam, and that this is just fragments of the bible. This should explain the insanity of fundamentalism, and the insanity of comparing fundamentalists to believers.
I know that, that not the point here...
Originally Posted by Lazors
You think the members Charlie Hebdo would approve of genocide or deportation?
Anyone who uses an eye for an eye as a solution is just as bad as the attacker, in my opinion. This does not mean you should turn the other cheek, it means that using unjustified force is going to breed more hatred from both sides.
"Genocide"... what a abuse... you didn't understand what I said and even if you understand write, you only use these word from the 2nd Ww to make everyone afraid, you don't want to open your eyes, it's your problem.
What you think we can do now?! I listend to you! Because we got a true army who start the fight with guns and bombs!
Originally Posted by Lazors
Also I don't agree at all with the opinion that drawing satire should be avoided because of unnecessary risks. The fault lies completely on the attacker. Doing something legal that makes criminals target you is still legal and you have every right to do so. Restricting yourself because of criminals is how you truly make the terrorists win. (Oops turns out redundant already said that sorry)
Thats exactly what I am doing!!! are you serious?! we are creating a anonyme movement (completly fantom) where everyone draw a satirical cartoon and at the same time, we gonna releast them on the internet! That what we are doing for the moment, more than 400 people in the south of france are actually drawing, I think the organisation will censure the most offensive for sure... it's normal.
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