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[CLAN COUNCIL] NEW RECRUITMENT DRIVE
CLAN COUNCIL RECRUITMENT
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FOREWORD: DO NOT POST THAT YOU'VE APPLIED OR YOU WILL BE DENIED.

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What is the Clan Council & why should you join?

The Council are a secret group on the forum that specialise in all things Clan/Organisation related. You might be aware that they vote on anything vying to become official but you may not know that they are also the eyes and ears of Clan Discussion and big players in the participation of clan related policy discussion. Recently with the help of the Clan Moderators, the Council have revolutionized the way we work with both Clans and Orgs from changing the way we do activity checks to the rules themselves and this is only the beginning. If you want to assume a role in changing the largest part of the forum and feel you are up to the task of discussing/debating with some of the sharpest minds in the community you may find that the Council would be a fitting place for you. It's worth mentioning that Council duties will align you well with Clan Moderators as you will be working together and most, if not all, Clan Moderators were once in the Council.


What will be expected of you?

The council now holds more responsibilities than it ever has and as such expectations are high.

1. Voting:

We expect applicants to quickly become seasoned in the art of constructing well formed opinions using information they have gathered themselves if they aren't already. Driven people with the initiative to do their own groundwork in order to form strong points of consideration and reasoning are highly sought after provided you have the endurance to keep up the pace. Let it be said now before it is too late: you are expected to leave all of your friends/affiliates on the doorstep when (if) you walk in. There is no room for bias in any form within the Council and if you do not have the strength to remove yourself from votes that you have vested interest in the Council is not for you.

2. Surveillance:

It is mandatory for the Council to do regular checks of clan boards and have current, relevant knowledge regarding clan dynamics and activity not only on the forum but in-game and on IRC as well. The clan rules must be second nature to you and as you'll be working closely with Clan Moderators you should know a broken rule when you see one along with the actions to take to resolve it. All of this will give you a rounded understanding of the systems we have in place and also an indication of the climate we're in regarding how to compare clans and what we expect from them. This is a vital roll for applicants to be prepared to fill as it will greatly bolster your effectiveness when voting or presenting feedback/ideas on policy discussion.

3. Policy Discussion:

Major innovations and minor changes alike, there will be a time where you will have the chance to step up to the plate and make your opinion heard on potentially game-changing topics. It is important that you are on top of your game if you want to be taken seriously as it will be clear who has/hasn't done their homework. Currently, the Council have had heavy sway on defining how activity checks should be done and have reconstructed the rules completely. There's plenty to talk about and there's more coming, your contribution could potentially shape the end result of whatever scheme we have coming up next so it is important that you are affluent in your knowledge of what's being discussed and how your suggestions will benefit the direction we're headed. Needless to say, those who are investing time into their surveillance and voting duties will shine when it's time to chip in on big decisions like these.


How to apply?

If you've made it this far you might actually have a shot. SEND A PM TO FAINT with your application, the only prerequisites are that you include your time-zone and any languages you are fluent in - however, please do take into consideration that if you're writing roughly 3 lines in order to join a staff position that's heavily focused on debate, discussion and opinion posting you're probably doing it wrong.

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FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, THEY WILL BE ANSWERED BY FAINT OR A CLAN MODERATOR
Last edited by Faint; Oct 11, 2015 at 09:17 AM.
collect snots from the nose
I think the point of this is to get new clan council members so it would be a bit weird to me if most of the time was spent thinking of an elegant way of telling everyone they got rejected
Originally Posted by Eddylee View Post
Cant they create a bot to record all applicants, than send a message to people accepted and not accepted.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
I think the point of this is to get new clan council members so it would be a bit weird to me if most of the time was spent thinking of an elegant way of telling everyone they got rejected

^ Well said SmallBowl.

Just take it with a pinch of salt guys.

This isn't an official position either, so the process is allowed to be shaky. I would presume there would always be people looking to apply, whether people feel the urge to return in the future or partake at all I can't say. However, the process for these type of things seems adequate for those in-charge. Questioning it may just be a waste of time etc.

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Originally Posted by CoKe
This isn't an official position either, so the process is allowed to be shaky. I would presume there would always be people looking to apply, whether people feel the urge to return in the future or partake at all I can't say. However, the process for these type of things seems adequate for those in-charge. Questioning it may just be a waste of time etc.

Uh, this is very much an official position. In fact, the council and clans access is easily the most restrictive on the forum and these areas are things that every other usergroup (outside of admins & higher) aren't able to see. The process for this is not shaky at all, it's straight laced and no faff - if you're in you'll know and if you're not in then you'll know. Sending you a rejection PM is a waste of everyone's time, we're good with our deadlines - if you haven't heard anything within 2 weeks then you didn't make the cut. If you want to re-apply somewhere down the line then that's your call, not everyone makes it in first time.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't spread misinformation in future.
collect snots from the nose
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
Uh, this is very much an official position. In fact, the council and clans access is easily the most restrictive on the forum and these areas are things that every other usergroup (outside of admins & higher) aren't able to see.

So basically, an exclusive group who have access to a section of the forums other people don't?(Besides admins & higher) Similar to that of an official clan with a private board?

Understanding the official nature of this group is understandably not that simple, you'd see if looked at from an outside perspective.

It becomes increasingly less visible when there is already an official clan mod group and staff position - which is, clearly not the clan council. Remember I am just giving an outside perspective here as to why I would state what I have stated prior so I hope this does not upset you.

From what I can establish here is that the clan council is a gateway to that of clan moderators, correct to assume?

On that note, that's all I needed to put on the table. Just for clarity, like you said - in case anyone feels the need to apply again in the future, just to understand this further.

Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't spread misinformation in future.

Sure.

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Originally Posted by CoKe View Post
So basically, an exclusive group who have access to a section of the forums other people don't?(Besides admins & higher) Similar to that of an official clan with a private board?

All proper staff usergroups have boards you can't see - the Council being one of them.

Originally Posted by CoKe View Post
Understanding the official nature of this group is understandably not that simple, you'd see if looked at from an outside perspective.

This is why I was bothered by you talking about what you clearly don't understand.

Originally Posted by CoKe View Post
It becomes increasingly less visible when there is already an official clan mod group and staff position - which is, clearly not the clan council. Remember I am just giving an outside perspective here as to why I would state what I have stated prior so I hope this does not upset you.

Clan Moderators have actual forum powers in their permissions while the Council do not - this is the only difference between them. They work closely together and the only reason Clan Moderators are a usergroup that you can see is because they can help people with clan issues such as the changing of names/tags and wars. The fact that the Council is not visible is obviously by design - if you're equating "visible" to "official" then you've got an error in your judgement. Are all developers, ninjas and torishop administrators not "official" staff because they're not visible?

Originally Posted by CoKe View Post
From what I can establish here is that the clan council is a gateway to that of clan moderators, correct to assume?

Council can be a gateway to any staff role - I'd argue it's one of the best ways to set yourself up for greater responsibilities later down the line and can be easily as tough as other usergroup's workload especially as we move forward with more changes we plan to make. We only generally make Council members CMods because in general they're quicker to learn the inherited permissions and already have a grasp of what's required - it's no small task holding down Clan Discussion and knowing all the rules, processes and possible issues clans can have; yet we expect that as the minimum when you get settled in the Council. Jumping straight to CMod without any proper time allotted into dealing with clans is generally a bad idea.
collect snots from the nose
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
All proper staff usergroups have boards you can't see - the Council being one of them.



This is why I was bothered by you talking about what you clearly don't understand.



Clan Moderators have actual forum powers in their permissions while the Council do not - this is the only difference between them. They work closely together and the only reason Clan Moderators are a usergroup that you can see is because they can help people with clan issues such as the changing of names/tags and wars. The fact that the Council is not visible is obviously by design - if you're equating "visible" to "official" then you've got an error in your judgement. Are all developers, ninjas and torishop administrators not "official" staff because they're not visible?



Council can be a gateway to any staff role - I'd argue it's one of the best ways to set yourself up for greater responsibilities later down the line and can be easily as tough as other usergroup's workload especially as we move forward with more changes we plan to make. We only generally make Council members CMods because in general they're quicker to learn the inherited permissions and already have a grasp of what's required - it's no small task holding down Clan Discussion and knowing all the rules, processes and possible issues clans can have; yet we expect that as the minimum when you get settled in the Council. Jumping straight to CMod without any proper time allotted into dealing with clans is generally a bad idea.

Brilliant. That clears things up. I apologize for referring to it as unofficial and I hope you got where I was coming from as an outsider thereafter. Thanks.

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The clan council members aren't meant to be known by forum members.
It's not like the GM recruitment, the only people that will know are the people that got in.
Life's not a waste of time and time's not a waste of life so let's stop wasting time, get wasted and have the time of our lives - Mr Worldwide 3:18
Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
The clan council members aren't meant to be known by forum members.
It's not like the GM recruitment, the only people that will know are the people that got in.

this

we won't announce the members who made it in because the council is meant to be secretive