Originally Posted by pouffywall
Why isn't stuff like this released to the rest of the community? I honestly don't get the cloak and dagger of any of this. If you're drafting something that's going to be released to the entirety of the community, wouldn't you want to allow people who are genuinely interested in looking at it actually see what's going on and offer their opinions?
I see your argument, more opinions - more success kind of thing.
But at the same time, too many chefs spoil the broth is definitely a phrase that applies here. Opening it up would also result in more pressure than there already is, so another rushed system would probably be released, probably creating more problems than it solved
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Which is why I said "genuinely interested" c ;
I didn't mean throw the entire thing on a thread and let everyone have at it. That would be a fucking mess. I mean allow people who show genuine interest in having a say and helping develop this. Although, I suppose if you were that interested you'd already have applied to... is this something passed along the staff team in general or...? *Sigh* Either way, I think it's something to consider.
I don't know how you guys would figure all that out, but it would be better to at least get a handful of opinions outside the circles that you're already discussing in. You can tell a lot about a person by where they hang around and what they're involved in, and I think reaching and and grabbing people from nonincluded circles to grab a variety of ideas would be beneficial in something like this. Especially for the reason that releasing something so big without getting opinions from everyone could end up warranting yet another overhaul.
My highschool teacher for AP Statistics, I think, told us something that could be used as a valid analogy for this.
"Say you were doing a study, and you were trying to find out how many people in this school like math. Now, instead of responsibly taking a random sample, you walked into this room, during this hour, and had all the students in this room take the survey. Do you think those results would be anywhere near representative of the entire school?"
(AP Statistics isn't a required course, as you proooobably know. A ton of math is involved in the course.)
I didn't mean throw the entire thing on a thread and let everyone have at it. That would be a fucking mess. I mean allow people who show genuine interest in having a say and helping develop this. Although, I suppose if you were that interested you'd already have applied to... is this something passed along the staff team in general or...? *Sigh* Either way, I think it's something to consider.
I don't know how you guys would figure all that out, but it would be better to at least get a handful of opinions outside the circles that you're already discussing in. You can tell a lot about a person by where they hang around and what they're involved in, and I think reaching and and grabbing people from nonincluded circles to grab a variety of ideas would be beneficial in something like this. Especially for the reason that releasing something so big without getting opinions from everyone could end up warranting yet another overhaul.
My highschool teacher for AP Statistics, I think, told us something that could be used as a valid analogy for this.
"Say you were doing a study, and you were trying to find out how many people in this school like math. Now, instead of responsibly taking a random sample, you walked into this room, during this hour, and had all the students in this room take the survey. Do you think those results would be anywhere near representative of the entire school?"
(AP Statistics isn't a required course, as you proooobably know. A ton of math is involved in the course.)
Originally Posted by pouffywall
Which is why I said "genuinely interested" c ;
I didn't mean throw the entire thing on a thread and let everyone have at it. That would be a fucking mess. I mean allow people who show genuine interest in having a say and helping develop this. Although, I suppose if you were that interested you'd already have applied to... is this something passed along the staff team in general or...? *Sigh* Either way, I think it's something to consider.
I don't know how you guys would figure all that out, but it would be better to at least get a handful of opinions outside the circles that you're already discussing in. You can tell a lot about a person by where they hang around and what they're involved in, and I think reaching and and grabbing people from nonincluded circles to grab a variety of ideas would be beneficial in something like this. Especially for the reason that releasing something so big without getting opinions from everyone could end up warranting yet another overhaul.
My highschool teacher for AP Statistics, I think, told us something that could be used as a valid analogy for this.
"Say you were doing a study, and you were trying to find out how many people in this school like math. Now, instead of responsibly taking a random sample, you walked into this room, during this hour, and had all the students in this room take the survey. Do you think those results would be anywhere near representative of the entire school?"
(AP Statistics isn't a required course, as you proooobably know. A ton of math is involved in the course.)
I understand what you mean, if we did that then people would get offended because they are also genuinely interested and didnt get asked.
Don't dm me pictures of bowls that you find attractive.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
I see your argument, more opinions - more success kind of thing.
But at the same time, too many chefs spoil the broth is definitely a phrase that applies here. Opening it up would also result in more pressure than there already is, so another rushed system would probably be released, probably creating more problems than it solved
I don't know about that. Community consultation on projects like this can only be a positive thing. I've said this before to Gynx, when we were working on the clan rework. If you're the government and you're planning on implementing some big project that'll affect the community, then the first thing you do (after developing a draft proposal) is to go to the town hall and see what everyone thinks of it. You don't have to implement every change that the people suggest, but you can get an idea of their general concerns and of what they like about the proposal. I was shut down by Gynx at the time because he strongly felt that this consultation process should be conducted after it's already been implemented - like a beta stage. I think that's short-sighted though, since there's absolutely no harm done in getting the community's opinion on it while it's still a draft. In addition, the more that someone is involved in developing a project, the more satisfaction they'll feel with the end results. Discussing the drafts of big community projects with the community can only be a beneficial thing if handled properly.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Just a note the ranks are not done, a few updates have been suggested and discussed wirhin the GMs but due to a few pivotal people being somewhat inactive, or being busy with other things its not being pushed forward so much.
Just a thought, I've been closely following the development of a game called Project Zomboid, and when the dev team had to work some multiplayer issues and steam integration, but all the team was busy on something else, they hired help from General Arcade as an "outsider" developer.
It helped them a lot, especially for the steam integration, maybe something along those lines could be done for the development of a matchmaking system you'd explain beforehand. But then again, it's just a thought ^^
