HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
A good example of a under moderated forum is the replay board, read the rules for yourselves they're just shitty which (i'm guessing) is why people don't even give real cnc anymore, the rules are so lenient you could basically shit post and post farm all you want.

demanding high standards from replay posts would be a great way to kill an already scarce part of the community by discouraging people to post. generally, activity generates more activity. usually only people with atleast a bunch of months of replaymaking under their belt are able to give actual useful "real cnc", and it's not very rewarding to walk that road if nobody is allowed to encourage you to make replays. some people play the game for fun but other play the game to climb the ranks, which is a reason just as valid as any other.

i think a lot of people underestimate being encouraged when it comes to replays, years ago when i made replays every day i loved having people post in my thread because it encouraged me to make more replays, but i rarely took into consideration what any of the posts actually said.

i also think it's worth mentioning that the current format for CnC, which looks somewhat like this:

"opener was v
2nd part was w
3rd part was x
pose was y
z job!"

..was created after higher quality posts were demanded in the board. so people decided to comment on replays chunk by chunk to make it look like they were trying, which actually decreases the quality of the post in my opinion because it doesn't take into consideration things like the transitions between parts, and the scope of the entire replay and how every part comes together as one. they will also fill in the blanks with anything, including "average" or "ok" just to fill in the format and have what is considered decent cnc.
oh yeah
Originally Posted by pusga View Post
demanding high standards from replay posts would be a great way to kill an already scarce part of the community by discouraging people to post. generally, activity generates more activity. usually only people with atleast a bunch of months of replaymaking under their belt are able to give actual useful "real cnc", and it's not very rewarding to walk that road if nobody is allowed to encourage you to make replays. some people play the game for fun but other play the game to climb the ranks, which is a reason just as valid as any other.

i think a lot of people underestimate being encouraged when it comes to replays, years ago when i made replays every day i loved having people post in my thread because it encouraged me to make more replays, but i rarely took into consideration what any of the posts actually said.

i also think it's worth mentioning that the current format for CnC, which looks somewhat like this:

"opener was v
2nd part was w
3rd part was x
pose was y
z job!"

..was created after higher quality posts were demanded in the board. so people decided to comment on replays chunk by chunk to make it look like they were trying, which actually decreases the quality of the post in my opinion because it doesn't take into consideration things like the transitions between parts, and the scope of the entire replay and how every part comes together as one. they will also fill in the blanks with anything, including "average" or "ok" just to fill in the format and have what is considered decent cnc.

Personally i don't think quantity is better than quality. If you look at dez's posts they actually help people understand replays, they feel like they should be there, Now i don't think everyone should give the cnc that dezrai gives but the posts should be held to some kind of standard i can legitimately go
"opener was good
2nd part was great
3rd part was sexy
pose was meh"
and post that on every single replay thread. Most of the posts on the replay thread are equivalent to clicking a like button, which is fine because it's encouraging to replay makers but post farming would be so easy to do there has to be a better option to it. I agree that people shouldn't have to go make 100 word replay posts but some type of standard to the posts would help right now the only posts that get deleted seem to be the ones that are 2 words long.
something like they must say something that relates to the replay in some way would be nice to ensure that people are actually watching the replay. So you don't get posts like this.
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=213
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=202
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=124
people already seem to be doing it anyway
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=198
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=234
Now the posts at the bottom aren't too good of perfect posts but it's better than what is acceptable above.
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Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
Personally i don't think quantity is better than quality. If you look at dez's posts they actually help people understand replays, they feel like they should be there, Now i don't think everyone should give the cnc that dezrai gives but the posts should be held to some kind of standard i can legitimately go
"opener was good
2nd part was great
3rd part was sexy
pose was meh"
and post that on every single replay thread. Most of the posts on the replay thread are equivalent to clicking a like button, which is fine because it's encouraging to replay makers but post farming would be so easy to do there has to be a better option to it. I agree that people shouldn't have to go make 100 word replay posts but some type of standard to the posts would help right now the only posts that get deleted seem to be the ones that are 2 words long.
something like they must say something that relates to the replay in some way would be nice to ensure that people are actually watching the replay. So you don't get posts like this.
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=213
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=202
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=124
people already seem to be doing it anyway
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=198
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...&postcount=234
Now the posts at the bottom aren't too good of perfect posts but it's better than what is acceptable above.

i agree with the first three posts being pretty good examples of bad posts

the current state of replays as a whole makes it possible to literally say "cool kick nice spin" or something along the line of that but more dragged out, so it's really hard to actually find a solution to the quality of posts on the board in general

i don't have an issue with people leaving their general opinion but i feel like posts should at least have some relevance to the content of the replay that they're posting about, and if they're posting their thoughts on someone's replay making ability as a whole, then they should make it clear

the posts that i have seen the mods delete have been pretty bad, but there are some posts lying around from a while ago that are literally the exact same thing, atleast from what i see

mostly though the quality of posts comes down to not the bare minimum of what's allowed (although it has a pretty clear and obvious effect) but how much people are willing to actually hand out constructive criticism, and there really aren't a lot.
Last edited by Dezrai; Aug 25, 2016 at 02:27 AM.
baha
Toribash is NOT dying because the forum has gone to hell. Its dying because people are not playing the GODDAMN Game.

Saying forums is the reason why toribash is dying is like saying people don't come into my house because behind a false wall in the basement i have a dead mouse. I personally didn't even know what a forum was back in 2013 I found out about it after buying a Adidas head texture from someone for 600 tc. I asked him how i equip and etc etc I'm here making this post.

The Priorities should be

1. Bring back a revamped version of the old ranking system

2. Try to get a youtuber with a non brain dead following to play toribash

3. Then start fixing up the forum getting it ready for the new stream of newbies
Im a freaking lamp.
Originally Posted by Soon View Post
or stop producing TC all together?

What if they just stopped generating TC and the only way you're going to make TC is marketing, dueling, and bet servers. it'd also make events way more appealing.

IMO that's a bad idea. I think new players are super hungry for TC so they can trick out their tori. If you tell them the can only do it through marketing (they have no items), dueling (they are newbies not pro), or betting (they have no tc) then how are they ever going to make money?

Item values probably just need to be calibrated.

Farming 5tc per win or whatever it is now days is fine for noob when you are buying cronos or glads for like 20tc per piece but by the time you get to even blue belt and you want to buy stuff that is 1000's a piece it's not really viable to do it by farming. This leads to a natural progression to things like dueling, events, marketing, and betting when you need more money than is feasible to get.

IMO tc inflation isn't that big a deal, at the high end people have a lot of money but at the middle and low end people aren't that rich. I'd like to see some numbers on this, broken down by belt with mean and median and maybe by percentile.

I don't think it's as big an issue as people make it out to be.

Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
nah
that's not how it works.
as i said above
you post idea people like, they say "yeah" or "ok" on it and nothing is done.

Thank god it isn't. If people were changing rules on a whim all the time that would be terrible.

Go talk to the users of that sub, make a thread, talk to the staffer in charge (Orko?), don't act rash.
Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
Personally i don't think quantity is better than quality.
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Now the posts at the bottom aren't too good of perfect posts but it's better than what is acceptable above.

False dichotomy, having people make 1 liner posts does not inhibit people from writing essays.

Allowing people to make short friendly posts is much more important than keeping up "high quality" average. The kinds of posts you say are bad are the kind that make people feel comfortable and happy in their community.

They take less than 5 seconds to read, they cause absolutely no harm.

Originally Posted by xSpiikes View Post
Toribash is NOT dying because the forum has gone to hell. Its dying because people are not playing the GODDAMN Game.

I agree, I didn't come to the forum for more than a year since I started playing. The game is the heart and soul of the community after all. We certainly should fix problems with the forum (and generally the people who can fix forum problems can't fix ingame problems) but ingame problems need to be worked on too. Perhaps we should split this thread in to forum problems and game problems or this thread will be messy.




Also going to point out that deletion shouldn't be something that mods do as "less than infracting". Deletion should be last resort, if a post absolutely cannot see the light of day. It should be something exceedingly rare. Again, it shouldn't be spammed out as "well it's not really infractable so I'll just delete it". First warn, then infract, edit post if something cannot be shown (posting porn, linking to warez, edit out the img/link), and if the post absolutely cannot exist delete it (can't even think of a situation where this is applicable).
Last edited by wibblefox; Aug 25, 2016 at 07:25 AM.
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Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
Personally i don't think quantity is better than quality. If you look at dez's posts they actually help people understand replays, they feel like they should be there,

we aren't promoting more posts over better posts, quality posters will still post even if other people don't have posts as elaborate. If people see one really short post, they won't magically become inspired to make dozens of really short posts themselves, especially in a part of the community that is powered by people's love for the game. essay writers will remain essay writers (unless we explicitly forbid them).

Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
i can legitimately go
"opener was good
2nd part was great
3rd part was sexy
pose was meh"
and post that on every single replay thread. Most of the posts on the replay thread are equivalent to clicking a like button, which is fine because it's encouraging to replay makers but post farming would be so easy to do there has to be a better option to it. I agree that people shouldn't have to go make 100 word replay posts but some type of standard to the posts would help right now the only posts that get deleted seem to be the ones that are 2 words long.

this isn't related to the quality of the board, it's related to the fact that a lot of replays are really similar (ukebashing replays in particular almost always have the opener, the bashing part and then a pose).

Re: post farming, Moderation's job is to prevent bad posts from showing up, not to prevent someone from posting a lot. One is generally associated with the other but they are not symbiotic.
oh yeah
Why is the concept of post farming even a thing? Post count is 100% meaningless and should probably disabled on user card if not relegated to private data. Making rules solely for the purpose of discouraging users from posting will always be more harmful than people posting for fun.
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