Hydrotoxin: It's called "domestic partnership". And it deserves the same rights that weddings bring. If it isn't done by a priest or rabbi, but by the state then religion has no right to dictate against it.
Judeo-Christian religions may find homosexuals to be abominations, but they aren't the state, and they can't prohibit an act not done by a priest. They cannot hold the same economic roles right now BTW. Many schools don't allow homosexuals to teach, and that's just one of many professions. And as Odlov said: Laws dictate social acceptance. African-Americans weren't treated anywhere near equal until after laws where passed for their equality, not before, not during, after. So it's about time we get this social train rolling with laws SO THAT it can be acceptable globally within our life time.
Judeo-Christian religions may find homosexuals to be abominations, but they aren't the state, and they can't prohibit an act not done by a priest. They cannot hold the same economic roles right now BTW. Many schools don't allow homosexuals to teach, and that's just one of many professions. And as Odlov said: Laws dictate social acceptance. African-Americans weren't treated anywhere near equal until after laws where passed for their equality, not before, not during, after. So it's about time we get this social train rolling with laws SO THAT it can be acceptable globally within our life time.
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Originally Posted by hydrotoxin
And I'd like to point out that I'm not opposed to pro-gay legislation, or even gays themselves. Marriage is a religious rite, and Judeo-Christian religions frown upon gays- i.e;
"If a man sleeps with a man, or a woman sleeps with a woman, as a man sleeps with a woman, they shall be put to death".
Civil unions are fine by me, but marriage is, at the most fundamental level of the largest religion in the world, unacceptable. I just don't consider the inability to naturally reproduce to be a societal boon, but as I said before, they can perform just as well as a "normal" member of society in terms of economic roles. I fully acknowledge the fact that homosexuality will be acceptable in not too many years-- I'm just pointing out that RIGHT NOW, they aren't.
Don't be so ignorant. Marriage does not mean the same things that it did in previous times. Marriage is no longer a religious practice on anything but a technical level. The church and a priest are a regrettable necessity forced upon couples because of the inability of our religious and legal systems to keep up with the times.
...and it's the people who find unacceptable what they're told to find unacceptable by the bigoted church, and spineless government who are directly responsible for the lack of a positive change in attitude towards issues like homosexual marriage. Your inability to make up your own opinion and take on that of the establishment is both weak minded and detrimental to our society.
I live in Spain, where the gay marriage is legal since 2004, and I think that the gays should have the same rights as the rest of the people. Is stupid to say that if a child is adopted by a gay couple, this child will be strange or something, what a kid needs is love and there are a lot of hetero couples that dont provide good care to their children.
Originally Posted by hydrotoxin
And I'd like to point out that I'm not opposed to pro-gay legislation, or even gays themselves. Marriage is a religious rite, and Judeo-Christian religions frown upon gays- i.e;
"If a man sleeps with a man, or a woman sleeps with a woman, as a man sleeps with a woman, they shall be put to death".
I do believe the discussion was geared towards a legal one, since religious custom would involve too many different religions to ever become a coherent discussion. However, there are a fair number of Christian churches that already perform marriages between same-sex couples.
However from a legal standpoint, I feel I must ask, do you believe that gays should be allowed to join (it seems like your position is a weak yes, but I'm not sure) and/or adopt children (you started off no and now it seems like the issue's been lost)?
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i am pro to both, since a kid needs parents that take care of him.
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i am pro to both, since a kid needs parents that take care of him.
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