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Well it still doesn't disprove my point seeing as the stories still passed by verbally before this scroll was written. Jesus walking on water could have been Jesus walking on ice.

Well no your point is just wrong in the first place IMO since everything that was written into the bible was inspired by the holy spirit so even if it was passed around verbaly at first no mistakes would have gotten into it. And books like John and luke were written by the apostles so I believe that everything they wrote was true. Also the many letters which were put into the bible have replicas and maybe even the real thing that are still around to this day so I know that nothing was changed there either.

This is just my opinion just so you know. Im not at all trying to force any of my beliefs on anybody.
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Question.

Shall a innocent young Muslim man that had lived a just life and been killed or died be condemned to hell, well a vicious sinful corrupt man who converts on his deathbed and asks forgiveness be spared?
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Originally Posted by The_Legendary_Ninja View Post
Question.

Shall a innocent young Muslim man that had lived a just life and been killed or died be condemned to hell, well a vicious sinful corrupt man who converts on his deathbed and asks forgiveness be spared?

According to the Bible, the once-corrupt man on his deathbed will be forgiven.

And, it makes no difference if the young man is a Muslim or not, anyone who doesn't repent and believe on Jesus Christ is "hell-bound". Though I'm sure there is a less blunt way to put this...



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Jesus walking on water could have been Jesus walking on ice.

...lol? Ice in the Middle East? In the middle of a sea? hehe I think not...
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Originally Posted by The_Legendary_Ninja View Post
Question.

Shall a innocent young Muslim man that had lived a just life and been killed or died be condemned to hell, well a vicious sinful corrupt man who converts on his deathbed and asks forgiveness be spared?

I nor any other human can answer that as we have no authority as to say who goes to hell or heaven.

*edit* forget what I said above me actualy since you could answer it according to the bible, but I wont because I do not want to offend anybody from any other religion.
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I just used Muslim as an example. Just I find the notion of this get out of jail free card rather appalling.

I believe that God exists, although I have no idea what religious following I am. I was raised in a lax Christian setting, but I don't like the way organized religion is, and the part I hate the most is the condemning of others.

Noone has the right to condemn another.
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But we're not the ones condemning people... All we are doing is showing how no one can live a perfect life. And according to the Bible, everyone who is not perfect cannot go to heaven.
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Yeah, let's not be so literal.
I think the theory about multiple universes means multiple universes outside of our four dimensions that are familiar with. Couldn't these multiple universes just be another 4th dimensional universe, but one tiny step away in the 5th?
In either case, I don't care whether the universe is everything or not. From here on, I'll call this existence which contains all to be "All". You, saying theres more which lies outside of God, it breaks omnipotence. So instead, God is All.
Now Free Will, that's more difficult to explain. God is All, so God controls All. We are this very very very tiny portion of All. We control the portion of All which is our own. That is our Free Will. And when I say control, I mean there is a set of "natural laws" that govern us.
When you say we can't comprehend God, I think you're right. I can't comprehend this multidimensional All that exists. I don't understand all the natural laws that exist either. No one does. I don't think the transcribers of the Bible could either, yet they wrote it. Do you think that 2000 years ago, they understood the possibility of other dimensions? Our solar system? How vast the All is? I think the Bible is a 2000 year old interpretation. Seriously, back then, if they saw an alligator they'd try to describe it as a big scaly monster.

I'm not trying to bash or destroy a religion. I'm trying to find truth. And trying to find how truth can explain religion. And how the truth IS religion, just in different forms. Explaining what the Bible tells us of how things are is much easier than explaining this concept I have of how things are.
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Originally Posted by FNugget View Post
Yeah, let's not be so literal.
I think the theory about multiple universes means multiple universes outside of our four dimensions that are familiar with. Couldn't these multiple universes just be another 4th dimensional universe, but one tiny step away in the 5th?
In either case, I don't care whether the universe is everything or not. From here on, I'll call this existence which contains all to be "All". You, saying theres more which lies outside of God, it breaks omnipotence. So instead, God is All.
Now Free Will, that's more difficult to explain. God is All, so God controls All. We are this very very very tiny portion of All. We control the portion of All which is our own. That is our Free Will. And when I say control, I mean there is a set of "natural laws" that govern us.
When you say we can't comprehend God, I think you're right. I can't comprehend this multidimensional All that exists. I don't understand all the natural laws that exist either. No one does. I don't think the transcribers of the Bible could either, yet they wrote it. Do you think that 2000 years ago, they understood the possibility of other dimensions? Our solar system? How vast the All is? I think the Bible is a 2000 year old interpretation. Seriously, back then, if they saw an alligator they'd try to describe it as a big scaly monster.

I'm not trying to bash or destroy a religion. I'm trying to find truth. And trying to find how truth can explain religion. And how the truth IS religion, just in different forms. Explaining what the Bible tells us of how things are is much easier than explaining this concept I have of how things are.

Ohk I agree with you on some things but not when you say that your "truth" is relgion and that the bible is a 2000 year old interpretation of stuff like aligators or some crap.

Seriously, we should just stop replying on this thread because it really is pointless.
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Originally Posted by FNugget View Post
Yeah, let's not be so literal.
I think the theory about multiple universes means multiple universes outside of our four dimensions that are familiar with. Couldn't these multiple universes just be another 4th dimensional universe, but one tiny step away in the 5th?
In either case, I don't care whether the universe is everything or not. From here on, I'll call this existence which contains all to be "All". You, saying theres more which lies outside of God, it breaks omnipotence. So instead, God is All.
Now Free Will, that's more difficult to explain. God is All, so God controls All. We are this very very very tiny portion of All. We control the portion of All which is our own. That is our Free Will. And when I say control, I mean there is a set of "natural laws" that govern us.
When you say we can't comprehend God, I think you're right. I can't comprehend this multidimensional All that exists. I don't understand all the natural laws that exist either. No one does. I don't think the transcribers of the Bible could either, yet they wrote it. Do you think that 2000 years ago, they understood the possibility of other dimensions? Our solar system? How vast the All is? I think the Bible is a 2000 year old interpretation. Seriously, back then, if they saw an alligator they'd try to describe it as a big scaly monster.

I'm not trying to bash or destroy a religion. I'm trying to find truth. And trying to find how truth can explain religion. And how the truth IS religion, just in different forms. Explaining what the Bible tells us of how things are is much easier than explaining this concept I have of how things are.

You're suggesting that dimensions are tacked on laterally... no. The universe we live in contains potentially far more than four dimensions.

Ohk I agree with you on some things but not when you say that your "truth" is relgion and that the bible is a 2000 year old interpretation of stuff like aligators or some crap.

I won't bother to comment on that.
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