HTOTM: FUSION
Chac: I disagree with your last post. Burying our heads in the sand isn't going to help anyone... This kind of thing -needs- to be out in the open. Besides, this is the Discussion board... The ideal place to foam at the mouth and scream defiance at people with different opinions.
All we need to make sure of is that the people with toes > 5 cm stay away.

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Originally Posted by Clbck View Post
Skazz may know nothing about God, but by his reading of the Bible he knows the personality that the Christian God allegedly has. You missed the point, juo.

Thank you.
Though I wouldn't say I know nothing about god. At least, not less than any believer. It's not like god manifests himself on Earth every now and again... All there is to know about god can be found in scripture. I like reading scripture for its 'historical' value. (Okay, I'll admit, also because it enables me to slap christians around the ears with their own dogma, but that's beside the point.)
Just saying this so we don't get all the 'personal relationship with god' bullshit flowing again.
Last edited by Skazz; Jun 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM.
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u wont go to helll and dont ask y cuz i am a muslim in the quran allah (god)
says smoking wont send u to hell it mite kill u but i will forgive u didnt know اللة احبك
WAZZAP!
There's always one who has all the answers...
Nice one mahulk, I'm totally convinced now...
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I wish some people would read where I stated why you will go to hell :P not because smoking is evil. because of the suicide issue.... many people are missing the main topic
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Smoking will not send you to hell, because it don't exists lol

Supposing that it exists, you will not go to hell, because you real intention was not to kill yourself. You are addicted to it. You can't leave it. Isn't your fault.

Also, this God vision that says that it is a guy/old man/creature/whatever, that stay in the sky, sitted on it's golden throne, watching over us, that hear our prayers and all that shit, imo are very very archaic.

In my vision, "God" (I don't like to call it God, but... well you know) is the supreme "energy"(?) that created the Universe.

And...
Uh... damn, I forget it D:
@Velve: Well, it was to be expected really... This sort of discussion always derails... I hope everyone agrees that it'd be a good thing to just go with the flow...

But, to add something useful to the topic: I was thinking about that commandment of Jesus about ripping out your eye if it causes you to sin, because it is better to go into heaven with one eye than to go to hell in one piece...
If smoking is, indeed, a sin, all you have to do is rip out your lungs, and you'll be fine. Even if that constitutes suicide in its own right, god can't nail you for doing what Jesus said, right?
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I find the thought in the OP of this thread interesting. I wouldn't say that smoking yourself to death would lead to eternal damnation if such damnation was brought about by suicide (among other things), as such a death could only be considered suicide through a very indirect means.

If, for example, one was to volunteer to hold a valiant rearguard defense during a war and died while doing so, would that also be considered committing suicide? One would effectively be committing suicide in the same way - as the reason that oneself died was due to a completely voluntary event, as is choosing to start smoking, possibly leading to fatal chain-smoking with time. In fact, dying while partaking in such an event would moreso be considered suicide than smoking oneself do death, as smoking quickly becomes an involuntary act as addiction takes in. Therefore, by the logic of supposed "suicide" leading to eternal damnation, one would only avoid such damnation by dying by no fault of their own, which makes an entrance into Heaven considerably more difficult than it already was.

Although partially off-topic, my beliefs in God are negative and verge on a type of nihilism. If God is so powerful, why should logic, reason and what we perceive as sanity (which, in my humble opinion, has become partial insanity with time) apply to It? Why should God, all-powerful being that It is, show any compassion for humanity? Humanity is absolutely nothing to God. Would you care for the tiny, simple beings that commonly lie beneath your feet if you could make a serious effort to? I think not. Why should a being infinitely greater than us care for humanity? Having faith in God is utterly illogical, and any moral or social restrictions applied by organized religions are false as God cannot be appeased by our efforts and surely would not want to be.
Last edited by 3vi1; Jun 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM.
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The guy who defends the rear obviously goes to heaven as a martyr... There are custom rules for such occasions, you know...
I think the point needs to be established that while smoking may or may not constitute suicide, it'll send you to hell for defiling your god-given body anyway.
Sin = sin = hell, right?
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Originally Posted by Skazz View Post
The guy who defends the rear obviously goes to heaven as a martyr... There are custom rules for such occasions, you know...
I think the point needs to be established that while smoking may or may not constitute suicide, it'll send you to hell for defiling your god-given body anyway.
Sin = sin = hell, right?

Not if you ask for forgiveness. It's key to remember that as one of the foundational Christian beliefs.