HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
Just to prove a point.

Violent videogames make you desensitized to violence and death, and conditioned to brutally murdering another creature. Chances are, someone who plays gears of war all day is more likely to not be affected by the consequences of murder than someone who is a flower child.

I'm sorry, but this made me laugh so god damn hard.

You do realise there is a tad bit of a difference between cutting a underground mutant grub in half with a chainsaw attached to a assault rifle on a game and cutting some in half with a chainsaw in real life?

It doesn't make a difference if you played violent video games all your life or not, killing another human being is not something you can shrug off or feel less traumatized by just because you've seen it happen on a video game or T.V.
tl;dr: Shut up Zayex, you're an idiot.

On topic now, I completely agree with Hamster, he needs to be put in jail for some time, then in rehab for a longer period of time, if not his entire life, for the safety of the public and himself.
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Originally Posted by Lorrtex View Post
tl;dr: Shut up Zayex, you're an idiot.

Read my latest post, it was a lot less idiotic than the gears of war thing.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
I have zero tolerance for these type of people. And honestly, I would take joy in torturing this kid.

I'm disgusted with humanity, and this is proof to how our advanced brains make us a truly terrible species. Other animals don't have the mental capacity to be "good" or "evil" or "crazy". They're mostly kind to eachother, unless threatened.

I think this is a prime example of how disgusting humans are.

Yes, I agree with you NormalCitizen. Because we humans have an advanced thinking ability, we can do really crazy but good things like giving your life for someone, but we can also do the most heinous and evil things.

Allow me to bring up the topic of Chimpanzees and Bonobos. We humans are very related to both apes but are more related to Chimps and they're known for being very violent creatures, fighting for leadership and being very agressive. The less known Bonobos are much "nicer" to one another and they would rather have sex to resolve conflicts(it's true no malice intended) rather than try fight.

Here's something from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_073_03.html

How did bonobos, which live in humid forests south of the Zaire River, evolve such a different social structure from chimpanzees since the two species split about 2 million years ago? Male dominance plays a big role in chimp society. Disputes are often resolved by threatening displays or by fighting. Female chimps lead a life much more solitary than that their bonobo cousins, and are sometimes harassed by the much larger males. Sex is strictly about reproduction, and reproductive tactics can include infanticide -- the killing of offspring unrelated to a male chimp. Infanticidal individuals remove potential competitors to their own offspring, and the mother, without an infant to care for, will become available for mating again much sooner.

In contrast, bonobo society is marked by the strong bonds that develop between unrelated females and by almost constant sexual activity amongst all members of a group. Bonobos apparently use sex to reinforce bonds within the group and to resolve conflict. What evolutionary advantages do these behaviors offer?
a spoon.
This is some pretty crazy shit. However, I don't agree with people who say "This is why humans are so /disgusting/, and I'm implicitly superior to everyone else". Shit like this isn't statistically significant: There are enough people in the world where the .00~0~01% person has some sort of mental issue which causes violence.

What bothers me, is the extremely immature sense of justice going on in this thread. I truly hope you guys are all around Jake's age, or I weep for the future of the gaming community. And we don't even know what's going on here. Perhaps there was some psychological abuse going on? Dunno.

I just hold that the kid needs and wants help. not torture, kids.
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Originally Posted by KoiKage View Post
This is some pretty crazy shit. However, I don't agree with people who say "This is why humans are so /disgusting/, and I'm implicitly superior to everyone else". Shit like this isn't statistically significant: There are enough people in the world where the .00~0~01% person has some sort of mental issue which causes violence.

What bothers me, is the extremely immature sense of justice going on in this thread. I truly hope you guys are all around Jake's age, or I weep for the future of the gaming community. And we don't even know what's going on here. Perhaps there was some psychological abuse going on? Dunno.

I just hold that the kid needs and wants help. not torture, kids.



These are listed in order of the bold text.

1. Nobody ever said anyone was superior to anyone, check your facts.
2. Your statistic is redundant, and he had no mental illness.
3. There is no immaturity here at all.
4. Um, yes, we do know what's going on here. Try reading my last post, where I quoted family and neighbors and pretty much spelled out that he had a good life.

5. You're fucking retarded.
Originally Posted by KoiKage View Post
This is some pretty crazy shit. However, I don't agree with people who say "This is why humans are so /disgusting/, and I'm implicitly superior to everyone else". Shit like this isn't statistically significant: There are enough people in the world where the .00~0~01% person has some sort of mental issue which causes violence.

What bothers me, is the extremely immature sense of justice going on in this thread. I truly hope you guys are all around Jake's age, or I weep for the future of the gaming community. And we don't even know what's going on here. Perhaps there was some psychological abuse going on? Dunno.

I just hold that the kid needs and wants help. not torture, kids.

Your post was silly and you should feel silly.
Silly.






On a more important note, YOU THERE ZAYEX.
Your last post was far less idiotic, good job, and I agree with you on most parts, however I still think that playing violent video games doesn't make you less sensitive to taking the life of another human being.
I grew up a gamer and have played numerous over-the-top violent videos games (manhunt, clocktower, splatterhouse, any zombie game ever, gow, fallout etc etc) and I wouldn't be able to bring myself to kill someone unless I or a person I cared about was in danger.
Although that could be just me being a harmless-at-times-stoner-gamer

I further await a rebuttal.
Last edited by Lorrtex; Nov 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM.
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Originally Posted by Lorrtex View Post
Your post was silly and you should feel silly.
Silly.






On a more important note, YOU THERE ZAYEX.
Your last post was far less idiotic, good job, and I agree with you on most parts, however I still think that playing violent video games doesn't make you less sensitive to taking the life of another human being.
I grew up a gamer and have played numerous over-the-top violent videos games (manhunt, clocktower, splatterhouse, any zombie game ever, gow, fallout etc etc) and I wouldn't be able to bring myself to kill someone unless I or a person I cared about was in danger.
Although that could be just me being a harmless-at-times-stoner-gamer

I further await a rebuttal.


I know kids who go to a hippie waldorf school, who have never played a videogame in their entire life, who have said "I would never take a life, all life is sacred, and I wouldn't be able to handle the guilt" and other white trash kids I know who play videogames all day have said "I'd kill someone, if I needed to, like if they took my things"

And I tested this on myself, as well. Four years ago, I thought murder and death in general was a really big and scary thing. Then I watched all of the gore videos, played the games, even gotten into some bad fights, and I went from being someone who thought death was this terrlble and important thing, to someone who does not fear death, would not hesitate to kill anyone doing me harm, and feels no mercy for disgusting murderers like this kid. In fact, I was a hippie child myself. Four years from being a hippie child, and I turned into a desensitized, cold, remorseless, realistic universalist who also has a fantastic comedic side.

But yes, I have threatened to kill people who've caused my trouble, and I would indeed kill them if they ever started something (Vandalism, theft, murder, etc) If I was never on any electronic media at all, I would be more compationate.
Now you're just spinning bullshit.
Playing video games, watching gory movies and getting into fights might make a 14 year old skin head think that death and killing someone is no a big deal, but put a gun that's pressed against someones head and they'd break down.
Referring to what I said that you ever so kindly bolded out, I meant that I'm not going to go out and kill someone just because they stole something of mine or something as trivial as that; but if they showing even the slightest intention of killing me or some I loved, then I would be ready break their face with a mallet.
Last edited by Lorrtex; Nov 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM.
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Originally Posted by Lorrtex View Post
Now you're just spinning bullshit.
Playing video games, watching gory movies and getting into fights might make a 14 year old skin head think that death and killing someone is no a big deal, but put a gun that's pressed against someones head and they'd break down.
Referring to what I said that you ever so kindly bolded out, I meant that I'm not going to go out and kill someone just because they stole something of mine or something as trivial as that; but if they showing even the slightest intention of killing me or some I loved, then I would be ready break their face with a mallet.

Yes of course, I totally agree. However, even in the case of defending your loved ones. A person would feel more comfortable killing if they've gotten a basic grasp of what it's like from a videogame/film/etc.

Somebody who has only heard bad things about death and seen death in pg-13 movies would have a hard time even thinking of killing -- for any reason.

Hard, as in compared to someone who's at least seen a real death.

I'm not saying "Videogames make killing not so bad" individual results will vary. But studies have shown, no matter how small of a percentile it may be, violent media takes the shock impact of real death away (If you've seen tons of gore movies, or 3 guys 1 hammer, etc)

You can compare it to sex.

People who have watched a lot of porn won't be as amazed to see a naked lady in real life.

Although those two concepts are not caused by the same thing, you got the gyst of what I was saying.
It seems I have been misunderstanding what you were trying to get across.
I thought you meant "if you play video games then killing someone = yea whatever do what I want. #thuglife".
Now that I clearly see what you're trying to say, I agree and stand corrected.

However I still disagree on the degree of punishment you think he should get.
Jail time for say, 5 - 6 years (I've seen people get sent to jail for that long for doing mass murders sooo....) and then lifetime rehabilitation
Last edited by Lorrtex; Nov 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM.
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