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Originally Posted by TheLostCarrot View Post
Drug legalization does not make the usage rates go up it makes them go down.


Take a look on how: http://www.debate.org/opinions/shoul...lize-all-drugs


And even hardcore evidence within other countries: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-891060.html

I never said it would. I said it's not a good solution.
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Dude you have to smoke like 5 grams a day for an entire week to feel some actual adverse effects, but it won't be much, you would be feeling out of it, fatigue, and probably a bit dumb, but stop smoking it you'll feel fine, try binge drinking a 40 everyday for the entire week and try stopping, you feel shot for the next few days.

Weed isn't healthy, I know that, but it's a better alternative then drinking.

And withdrawals from weed? Please, you may get a little bitchy and a bit wired as your body tries to find what was normal again. I watched many stoner chicks quit smoking weed when they got pregnant, no withdrawals. My friend from works by frond quits drinking and shit he goes through an alcoholic withdrawal which can kill you unlike a measly weed withdrawal.

Cigarettes and Alcohol aren't easy to quit and they are cheap and easy get and highly toxic.
Weed depending on person is easy to quit it's semi difficult to get and no where near as toxic.
Also got a keep an eye for pre rolled joints, those can have tobacco and crack and what not in it and probably WILL kill you. A joint fat chance even if you wanted to commit suicide with weed that would be a difficult task very difficult.

Also have you ever talked to a sketchy ass guy who looks like who would otherwise kick
Shit out of you? We smoked a joint and talked. That's the power of this leaf, it's supposed to be good times.

Also Weed not to be confused with Opiates.
Last edited by T0ribush; Oct 23, 2014 at 04:03 PM.
Honestly as much as our world today would love to "ban" or even make it legal. But honestly at the end of the day people are going to deal & people are going to smoke it. Doesn't really matter where or why...but the money is good why not right?

It's basically a choice really there isn't really a "problem" to be had honestly just a bunch of stoners getting high aha
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No because they you don't fix the problem of drug abuse. People need to realize that drugs are harmful and have negative consequences and that it's not acceptable. Normalization of drug use is the cause of the problem.

Yep, you said that like 5 times. That's the only thing you've ever said about the subject. No matter how hard evidences go against your groundless point, you just hold on to it very hard.

I never said it would. I said it's not a good solution.

Then what's your fucking point ? you want a magic wand you could shake to make drugs consumption drop by 100% ?

If legalization is a proven solution to drop the amount of users, it means it's a step toward an objective education.
Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Yep, you said that like 5 times. That's the only thing you've ever said about the subject. No matter how hard evidences go against your groundless point, you just hold on to it very hard.

Then what's your fucking point ? you want a magic wand you could shake to make drugs consumption drop by 100% ?

If legalization is a proven solution to drop the amount of users, it means it's a step toward an objective education.

Exactly my point, How is dropping usage rates not a good solution? and If not a good solution, at least a foundation for future changes.
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Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Yep, you said that like 5 times. That's the only thing you've ever said about the subject. No matter how hard evidences go against your groundless point, you just hold on to it very hard.

If only someone had even tried to argue against that point huh. If only someone had posted some hard evidence huh.

Isn't it obvious that a country like USA where drug use is normalized has higher usage than a country where drug use is stigmatized?

Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Then what's your fucking point ? you want a magic wand you could shake to make drugs consumption drop by 100% ?

If legalization is a proven solution to drop the amount of users, it means it's a step toward an objective education.

"The end justifies the means"? Shouldn't we just shoot all drug users then?
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Deprav: Holy shit dude, breathe.

Gorman I'm not getting your train of thought here. If according to TheLostCarrot's post legalization does somewhat reduce drug usage, what's the problem? Sure, it doesn't tackle the overarching cultural problem directly, but how is legalization a "terrible solution" if it's doing the job?
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Originally Posted by sid View Post
Gorman I'm not getting your train of thought here. If according to TheLostCarrot's post legalization does somewhat reduce drug usage, what's the problem? Sure, it doesn't tackle the overarching cultural problem directly, but how is legalization a "terrible solution" if it's doing the job?

I'm not sure that I am obliged to deconstruct strawmen, but his links do not support his claims.

sid you shouldn't just assume someone is correct because they post some random links. The first links is just arguments for/against and a poll, the second is about Portugal decriminalizing certain substances and doesn't mention a fall in usage.

Even if legalizing drugs would magically make the number of users fall, it further normalizes drugs. And since what I am arguing against is the normalization of drugs, then why would I accept that as a solution? The problem isn't that people are being arrested for doing drugs, it's that people think it's OK to do drugs.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Even if legalizing drugs would magically make the number of users fall, it further normalizes drugs. And since what I am arguing against is the normalization of drugs, then why would I accept that as a solution? The problem isn't that people are being arrested for doing drugs, it's that people think it's OK to do drugs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, your position is that you're not worried that more people will do drugs, just that more people will think it's OK to do drugs - legalisation = normalisation. Why are you against the normalisation of drugs?
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, your position is that you're not worried that more people will do drugs, just that more people will think it's OK to do drugs - legalisation = normalisation. Why are you against the normalisation of drugs?

"Allowing people to abuse harmful substances because there's a 'net gain' is not acceptable to me. But that said, I would prefer there to be no laws and people just do the right thing. As it stands, people do not do the right thing, and cause danger to themselves and others, so laws are a necessary evil."

That is to say, normalization of something that is potentially dangerous is not OK to me. Of course we have to take some risks, people are irresponsible with cars as much as they are with drugs - I would say it's a calculated risk, but most people don't think about it and the odds are relatively low.



If possible can we move this discussion to the other thread? Since this thread is specifically about school & drugs so we have eventually created a duplicate discussion here that is offtopic.

I'll reply here if you post, but keeping things in one thread is more useful.
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