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Besides delusion, I think there may be another explanation for the phenomena of premonition people are reporting in this thread. I haven't a clue whether or not this concept has any scientific basis or not, and I'm honestly not bothered enough to check, but it seems logical enough in my mind, so I'll put it down here. It's also tl;dr btw

It's commonly known that in general, children have far more fantastical dreams than adults do. As one approaches maturity, dreams shed many of their abstract and/or fantastical qualities, and take on a more "practical" - though not necessarily any less surreal - temperament - one's mind adapts to the strains and pressures of adult life, and one's dreams, being commonly theorized as a preparation or "training method" as they are, become more relevant to the real-life situations that one now finds oneself in.

It would be logical to suggest that during puberty and/or early adulthood there remains a "transition period" between the two general states of dream focus.

A summary: Pre- and mid-pubescence, one generally has more fantastical dreams than one does during full maturity, as during such maturity, the focus of one's mind shifts to real-life issues, and one's dreams do also.

My hypothesis is thus: Prior to maturity, one is generally unused to having dreams that have direct relevance to real-life issues. When one enters the transition period, one begins experiencing dreams that do have such relevance. As one within the transition period is unused to having dreams that are relevant to real life, such dreams stand out as being vivid and when similar circumstances to those that appeared in the dream appear in real life, the dreams take on a mystic quality due to the similarity of the events - when really you're only experiencing deja-vu. As one reaches full maturity, one becomes used to such dreams, and they lose their perceived importance.

To illustrate, I shall reverse the scenario at hand:
A young man has had dreams relevant to his everyday life for the entire time that he has lived. After every few nights, he recalls a dream that he had. There are elements of the dream that match up with his daily routine. There may also be surreal elements to the dream. The dream may be hazy or vivid, but is never recalled with absolute clarity. I think we can all agree up to this point of the example.
When he approaches late adolescence, the young man begins to get the most bizarre and surreal dreams. They may still be hazy or vivid; they are still never recalled with absolute clarity. What would he think?
I think he'd think he was going mad.
And I don't think that that thought is any different to thinking that one can predict the future - a positive response and a negative response are nearly the same thing, it's the intensity in response that matters.
"Call yourself alive? I promise you you'll be deafened by dust falling on the furniture,
you'll feel your eyebrows turning to two gashes, and your shoulder blades will ache for want of wings."
Originally Posted by Freelancer View Post
I am aged 21, I am not a kid.

well im not exactly a kid either, 19 atm and a quialified and registered draughtsman, studying architecture atm... so insinuations that i am a child would be far from accurate thankyou very much
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Originally Posted by 3vi1 View Post
you're only experiencing deja-vu.

Originally Posted by 3vi1 View Post
The dream may be hazy or vivid, but is never recalled with absolute clarity.
they are still never recalled with absolute clarity.


dude, you have no idea how much sense that is making right now, lately iv been remembering dreams and going like "wtf, that shit just happend"
dejavu and subconcious premonitions and stuff is really making me nervous
had the dreams months or even years ago, but i wouldnt describe them as hazy, pretty damn clear when you realise it...
Last edited by BenDover; Apr 25, 2009 at 12:08 AM.
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Hm, missed that post.
I forgot to ask how old everyone who's suggesting this premonition business is.
"Call yourself alive? I promise you you'll be deafened by dust falling on the furniture,
you'll feel your eyebrows turning to two gashes, and your shoulder blades will ache for want of wings."
Personally, i just don't believe in this kind of stuff. A human brain is basically a large lump of neurons that communicate with each other via electrical impulses, and unless you can amass an electrical shock that is strong enough to arc through your skull and another persons skull, all the way into their brain, mind powers just aren't going to happen. Now, i know that a brain is an incredibly complex organ, and that we know very little about it, but seriously, when's the last time you've seen anything organic affect ANY other entity without directly/indirectly affecting it physically? (like, setting something in motion that sets another thing in motion etc)
Barring electrical eels and other obvious things, this really doesn't happen. So, sorry pal, you can keep your beliefs for yourself, just don't expect me to jump in on them.
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Perhaps you are attributing a bit too much to yourself.

Let's face it - there are much more viable explanations for your example.
I do not deny the hypothetical possibility to read minds or telekinesis, but so far you personally haven't showed anything which would make me believe you have any of those abilities :P

I too had dreams in which i was flying, talked to god, swam underwater without awareness of any special equipment...All those sensations i experienced seemed rather real and viable, but....then i woke up.
Last edited by Odlov; Apr 25, 2009 at 01:58 AM.
you can debate about this in the correct board. time to put this fire down


freelancer can bring this up again when he has any proof of his magical piss bending abilities