Originally Posted by Odlov
Oh it is, trust me :P
Via mechanically altering the brain.
Hell, even perception of the world can be altered to something totally different.
It will begin to happen in the next 100-200 years I'm sure.
Right now most people think of it as science fiction, though.
My bad - I assumed you mean suppressing them naturally. You're right here, btw, more like 50 years xd
Originally Posted by Odlov
Well if you define power that broadly than pretty much anything anyone ever does is linked to power. Want to eat? That's a lust for dominance over pain brought by the hunger, or lust for dominance over feeling hungry. But it's a stretch, imo.
To a small extent one could see it like that - but the lust for power, in my view, strives for self perfection, not in a physical, but rather a mental sense. In that quest it looks to the outside to reassure the inside. Dominance over others results in an increase of self-confidence for most people - dominance over knowledge results in the same - dominance over life results in the same and in the ability to even start such an activity - dominance over ones hunger does so too, but to a lesser extent. However, hunger is not there because we think of it as a drive for self-confidence, that would be obscure, hunger serves to tell the body "you need to replenish your energy, eat food for that".
Originally Posted by Odlov
Or perhaps he has a strong lust for power over his current state (life) and his survival instincts, and would rather be dead, hehe.
That's a common dellusion - religous or otherwise - that being dead will allow you mastery over life - it's one of the things that drive people to suicide.
Originally Posted by Odlov
Anyway - now that it's clear your definition of power is rather unusual/broad, i somewhat agree. But it's odd to link everything to power. Would you call a lust for physical pleasure a "lust for power over feeling displeasure"? -- it's awkward. I'd rather keep it separate categories.
Well I like to think of humans as having two drives - the sexual and the lust for power, often the two overlap, since sex also entails in some cases as dominance over the partner.
Originally Posted by Odlov
Depends on the quality of said intercourse :P
Usually i can consciously analyze what events make me feel one way or the other.
But your unconscious mind doesn't give you the answers directly - and how do you know your conscious mind just made a mistake? You can say with certain precision with educated guesses, but what if your feelings at that point stem from repressed thoughts?\
@New Odlov's post, too lazy to quote;
Go ahead, knock yourself out, I kind of meant that xd
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tl;dr: deprived is spergin'
Originally Posted by Deprived
That's a common dellusion - religous or otherwise - that being dead will allow you mastery over life - it's one of the things that drive people to suicide.
Killing yourself would not of course allow you mastery over life - it would allow you mastery over your existence, over not feeling content and at peace. Among other things you would terminate the pain (thus exerting dominance over it, no?) I'm pretty much busting your chops with this example, but it's amusing.
Well I like to think of humans as having two drives - the sexual and the lust for power, often the two overlap, since sex also entails in some cases as dominance over the partner.
And those two, along with any other drives, can be grouped into "lust for control". Lust for control over emotion, well-being, others, and so on. See, now you started me with all this grouping thing....
O_O
But your unconscious mind doesn't give you the answers directly - and how do you know your conscious mind just made a mistake? You can say with certain precision with educated guesses, but what if your feelings at that point stem from repressed thoughts?\
Usually i can tell if what I'm feeling is a result of my own personal complex/issue, if i bother to analyze my condition. And by "can tell" i mean give myself a satisfying answer that fits all other data.
Originally Posted by DaJokesta
It's just rude though, picking on people just because they're smart and a very intelligent person.
But it's natural and life affirming for the bully. It also gradually pushes the victims towards trying to find a solution to the problem - you can't repress the bullying forever, and they will be driven to find a why to stop it, so technically, it's mutually good for both parties in the long run. I quote Nietzsche;
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."
Odlov:
Killing yourself would not of course allow you mastery over life - it would allow you mastery over your existence, over not feeling content and at peace. Among other things you would terminate the pain (thus exerting dominance over it, no?) I'm pretty much busting your chops with this example, but it's amusing.
lol alright I'll play along
Terminating pain != dominance over it, termanating the oppisote of content and peacefulness will not generate content and peacefulness, because in death it's impossible to generate those feelings.
And those two, along with any other drives, can be grouped into "lust for control". Lust for control over emotion, well-being, others, and so on. See, now you started me with all this grouping thing....
O_O
then let me be the first to say, welcome to psychology!
btw that's a much better phrase for what I mean when I say "will to power", thanks, mind if I steal "lust for power" xd?
Usually i can tell if what I'm feeling is a result of my own personal complex/issue, if i bother to analyze my condition. And by "can tell" i mean give myself a satisfying answer that fits all other data.
Repressed thoughts don't commonly appear to oneself when considering all of the data - and you'll have then by the tons when you're in your teenage years, let alone as an adult. How do you know if one of these thoughts wasn't decisive in the way you acted? But okay, you can make a good guess if you know yourself well enough and dwell over it for a while.
Last edited by Deprived_OLD; Oct 15, 2009 at 03:16 AM.
tl;dr: deprived is spergin'
