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>Some Christians reject certain teachings
>All Christians reject certain teachings

What?
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most of the rep that "Christians are against gays" comes from the Roman Catholic Church, which albeit a large one, is only a sect of christianity

"churches" such as the Westboro Baptist Church are the other part of the problem. They are provocative and "loud" in a media and press sense. (Warning: Opinion incoming) The members of these "churches" blatantly ignore teachings of peace and acceptance found in the Bible. They twist scripture to use it for their backwards, ignorant and angry means. These sort of people coincidentally make up the Tea party and much of the Fox News employee base.

This said there are churches who are comfortable and accepting of gay love

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Originally Posted by RayA75 View Post
>Some Christians reject certain teachings
>All Christians reject certain teachings

What?

Since you misinterpreted me, let me state it explicitly:
∀x∈Christians,y∈Teachings:(rejects(x,y))

where rejects(a,b) is true if person a rejects the teaching b.
Honestly, I think gay is fine, but when you put gay teachers in kindergarden to have them warp the minds of five year olds into thinking that they are gay, you've crossed the line. When you walk down the street in a half-cut off t-shirt and ripped jeans and so forth, you deserve to get your ass beat, not because you gay, but because you just trolled.

Im okay with gays as long as they aren't "flaming" and walking down the street with a forced lisp and rainbow shirt.

ALSO, you can not say gay is genetical, monkeys only have sex with other males because they are horny, they don't think they look better, they are not smart enough to judge on looks.

P.S Many gays only go gay because they have had no luck with women.
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Originally Posted by m0nk3y8 View Post
Honestly, I think gay is fine, but when you put gay teachers in kindergarden to have them warp the minds of five year olds into thinking that they are gay, you've crossed the line. When you walk down the street in a half-cut off t-shirt and ripped jeans and so forth, you deserve to get your ass beat, not because you gay, but because you just trolled.

Im okay with gays as long as they aren't "flaming" and walking down the street with a forced lisp and rainbow shirt.

ALSO, you can not say gay is genetical, monkeys only have sex with other males because they are horny, they don't think they look better, they are not smart enough to judge on looks.

P.S Many gays only go gay because they have had no luck with women.

Why do such blatantly ignorant people post here...

Gay is not taught. Gay is genetic. As I've already said before, children of gay parents are no more likely to become gay than children from a conventional family. This is probably the largest nail in the coffin for the theory of gay being a learned behavior. If your largest role model in your life is gay, and that doesn't rub off on you, it's 100% not learned.

I know quite a few people that don't feel comfortable wearing clothing conventionally defined for their gender. I know a guy who got a tattoo of his "girl name" right under his neck. And you know what? I don't give a single fuck about it because he's a cool guy to hang around. If he feels more comfortable dressing up as a woman, why should I force him otherwise.

Additionally, I know a couple people who aren't gay and have a "forced lisp." Guess what, it's not forced.

Finally, being "horny" and sexually attracted are two different things. A "horny" person may be willing to masturbate; does that mean they're sexually attracted to their hand? Definitely no, it's a tool to relieve themselves, nothing more.

P.S. Gay guys have better luck with women because they're perceived as more approachable than heterosexuals. Look it up.
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First of all, people are gay, because they want to be gay, being gay is not a disease, gay people want to be gay, there is no reason to discuss it, as someone said, homosexuality isn't a human stuff...some dogs are gay, some cats, and etc...
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
The amount of ignorance displayed is rather appalling...

One, homosexuality is genetic, not a choice. Homosexuals are aware of their homosexuality from a young age, something that would not be evident if it were a choice, as sexual interest only develops around age 10 for most people. Homosexuals are aware of their difference as early as 6. Homosexuals also have similar fingerprint patterns to those of the opposite gender, more so than heterosexuals of the same gender. Homosexuality increases in prevalence among consecutive male siblings, with the first male having roughly a 3-4% of being homosexual, and an increased chance of 1% for all subsequent male births of being homosexual. And those are just a few examples of evidence supporting genetic influence. In fact, all evidence points towards homosexuality being genetic rather than choice.

This hasn't been proven. Regardless, it's not that important. The fact of the matter is that gays are gay, whether the right-wing fundamentalist homophobes like it or not.


Likewise, two, homosexuality is not passed on like some disease from one person to another. Adoptive children of homosexual couples are no more likely to become homosexual than children raised in a traditional family. If anything, the only visible difference that has been observed is that children who grow up raised by a homosexual couple exhibit greater empathy and tolerance than children who grow up in a traditional family. Small sample but, if it holds true with the population, then there's no reason to oppose adoption by a homosexual couple.

This, though, I can agree with. Having been raised for my lesbian mother for about 12 years (the first five were still with my father), I'm still straight. It's not "contagious."

Originally Posted by EmpireSlay View Post
...I don't want to see 2 gay guys sitting next to me at a restauraunt kissing each other...

At first I was all like...gay marriage should be banned and bla bla bla
Then I was like...why do I care?
Then I was like...they shouldn't have kids because that kid might turn out to be gay.
then I was like..gay couples want kids...
Then I was like...I feel sorry for the kid

Sheer ignorance in this post.
How often do you go to a restaurant and see heterosexual couples ramming each other's tongues down their throats? It doesn't matter what kind of couple is sitting next to me in a restaurant, it's repulsive.

By the way, gay couples don't have to be married to kiss. Get the fuck over it.

For the kids turning out gay, I already addressed that, as did Oracle.

You feel sorry for the kid? Forgive me, but I doubt a child with more acceptance in their left hand than you'll ever dream of having wants your misplaced pity.

Originally Posted by footside View Post
Along the lines of homosexuality being natural, how could something natural cause a disease such as AIDS?
I'm in no way saying I'm extremely educated on this subject, but from my point of view, it seems to do more harm than good, 'love' or not.

Sigh... Homosexuality didn't cause AIDS. Some French dude fucking a monkey did, if I recall correctly. It's a shame that society found it necessary to spread such bullshit. The "Gays cause AIDS" was discriminatory propaganda from the 80s. It has long since been disproved... The highest AIDS rates are among African males. 60 fucking percent of the global population infected with AIDS is found in sub-Saharan Africa. You want to tell me they're all queers? I doubt it.

Also, how would gays getting married cause "harm?" If anything, it'd help out the economy because there'd be a huge amount of people getting married, spending money on weddings and shit. It'd help pull us out of our economical bullshit. You tell me how gay marriage would hurt anyone or anything, because I don't see it.
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Originally Posted by m0nk3y8 View Post
Honestly, I think gay is fine, but when you put gay teachers in kindergarden to have them warp the minds of five year olds into thinking that they are gay, you've crossed the line.

Yeah, that's exactly what gay kindergarten teachers are trying to accomplish. They went to college for years and spent thousands of dollars to get a jumpstart on their army of the sexually deviant.
When you walk down the street in a half-cut off t-shirt and ripped jeans and so forth, you deserve to get your ass beat, not because you gay, but because you just trolled.

DId it ever occur to you that perhaps they just like to dress that way? Are you saying women who dress in pants are "trolling" too? And they deserve to get beat? Just because someone goes against the norm, they're trying to get attention and deserve to be fucking abused? Also, since when are ripped jeans "gay?" That's fucking news to me.

Im okay with gays as long as they aren't "flaming" and walking down the street with a forced lisp and rainbow shirt.

Who said it's a forced lisp? It's pretty ignorant of you to assume that just because someone is gay with a lisp, they're forcing it. Most of the gay people I know do NOT have a lisp. What's wrong with rainbow shirts? Maybe we're not all emo like you and decide we have to wear all black all the time. Some people like a little color in their lives. Also, I really doubt the gays of the world really give two shits what you are and aren't okay with.

P.S Many gays only go gay because they have had no luck with women.

Lol. Most gays understand women more than you ever will. Most women have gay best friends outside of their clique of females. Your post alone already pushed you outside of the "understanding" area where women like their males to be.

There are many women who wish their gay best friends weren't gay because they'd be amazing lovers because they're understanding.

Maybe you should read before you post.
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Yeah, being gay is a choice, if you want to be gay, you can be gay, but the society ( great part of it ) is against homosexuality.
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I would like to do something I do not do very often, post in discussion. I have some problems with the logic behind certain things and whatnot. Hopefully one of you upstanding gentlemen could help me...


One of the issues I have are the examples of marriage in the bible and in the real world that seem more contradictory then gay marriage. To be clear, I do not find gay marriage a contradictory term at the slightest. In the bible of course there are examples abundant of the nuclear family (as in explosive), but there are also examples of less-than-nuclear marriages. One that I slightly find insulting is marrying your brother's widow. Not too terrible, just a bit creepy. Then there's the wife and concubines. It's like you have your main wife and then an extra piece(s) of heterosexual sodomy on the side. You have the one that you make love to, and then you have the one you get freaky with... There's also examples of being married to a woman who owns another woman, thus after marrying that first woman you also own her property, that other woman's sex organs. And of course there are examples of polygamy around. a master can also dictate who his women slaves have to marry and conceive with. My top two favorite involve the wonderful POW scenario where a man from a victorious neighboring village war can claim a woman from the losing team to give him babies. AND, rapist get to marry there victims no questions asked... I love traditional bible marriages....

A more practical real life scenario is more of a personal matter. My wifey poo and I are Atheist. We disbelieve in gods. Yet, the church let us marry. We mock them and tell them there god isn't real, but they let us marry, their holy ceremony... 'The church' will let anti-theistic cousins marry in a horror and clown and dubstep and nude themed wedding, as long as they promise that they're not gay. I know not all states allow first cousin marriages, but more states recognize that union than that of same sex partnership. So, what's the problem with letting two God fearing, law abiding, Jesus loving gays to get married? Christian oppression of Christians.




I also had an idea that I'd like to pass through you bunch,

Let's say that we remove the term marriage from any legal frame work and let those crazy Christians have it. It will be there little special ceremony, like baptism. Then, we use a different term, like civil unions, to apply to all legally recognized partnerships between two mutually consenting adults. It would provide equality legally, and put more focus on the church to change. But who cares, marriage is just another weird ceremony then.


I don't know, I know I don't sound terribly intelligent, but please take the insults light on this old bear.eir
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