Originally Posted by NormalCitizen
They actually don't.
Here's this: http://www.science20.com/news_articl...agers_violence
Parents who blame violent behaviour on videogames are idiots. But I wasn't talking about that. I never said "violent videogames make you violent" I said "violent videogames desensitize people to violence" if you play shooting games for 20 years, and you one day shoot someone irl, it will not psychologically scar you as bad as it would have if you never played a violent videogame.
That doesn't further any argument then. Desensitization does not equate to promoting it, nor does it mean it had nothing to do with it. Regardless, until proof comes along with causation between violent video games and violent behavior, bringing it up is just getting off topic.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen
And since you people brought this topic up:
There is no excuse for murder, this kid is not insane, he had no mental illness, he was just "tired of his family nagging him" and so he killed them. he even said -- via 911 call -- "I didn't want them to feel pain, I just wanted it to be over quickly"
These are the tell tale signs of a sociopath/psychopath.
Even if he can be cured of this via rehab, you people don't seem to understand how severe this was. It was a premeditated strike, not a crime of passion. He fired several bullets into each corpse (while they were still in agonizing pain). And he said "I don't hate my family, I just hate the way they yell at me, and at eachother".
This was not a "scared little boy who killed his family by accident, or while in a state of trauma". His family was a wealthy and respected family. (They lived in a gated community for christ sake!). And his neighbors even said: "There was never anything so stressful in his household as to incite him to such violence".
1) The tell tale signs of a sociopath or psychopath is a disregard for everyone but themselves. They don't care about others, and they are ultimately impulsive people. So no, these aren't the signs of a sociopath or a psychopath. Get your definitions right.
2) If it's premeditated, then that's a greater indication of psychological disturbance than a crime of passion. If it's done on impulse, it could be attributed to anger or rage, which are not psychological disorders. But if his only motivation was to stop his family from yelling at each other, that's not logical. There's something not right in his head. He had time to cool down, to think about it, and the only logical answer he could find was to kill them all. That is not logical thinking. THAT is an indication of psychological disturbance.
3) I live in wealthy, upper middle class. I have been all my life. I have had virtually no undue stress placed on me my entire life. Yet I've been plagued with anxiety and depression for my whole life. There is no logical explanation behind it, because my anxiety and depression is not logical. That is inherently the definition of something being a psychological disorder. It is socially harmful and it's abnormal. It's what separates everyday sadness from a crushing sense of fear and despair from the moment you wake up to the moment you fall asleep. A normal person would not do what he did. He is, in every way, abnormal.
4) What the neighbors see is different from what actually occurs, especially in an upper class neighborhood. I don't even know my neighbors, let alone how they get along. Sure I see them from time to time, and heck, we've even had dinner with them once or twice. I still don't know who they are, what they do, how they think, or what troubles them. And I probably never will.
Also, read the bold line one more time. Hopefully the stupidity behind the content becomes apparent.
Originally Posted by NormalCitizen
He murdered a 15 year old girl (his sister), and his own damn mother.
He was 17, he was fully aware of the consequences of his actions.
To put it simply:
He intended to kill his family, but kill them so quickly as to avoid suffering. Then, he ended up firing multiple shots into their concious bodies when he failed at killing them instantly. His other quote:
"I didn't mean for them to feel pain or anything, I just wanted it to be over quickly... it's like everything just went wrong..."
This does not deserve sympathy. I don't want this person being released back into the general public. I think he should face capital murder charges with at least 20+ years jail time.
And think of it this way,
If your best friend killed your entire family because he "hated the way they yelled at you" and he was facing a year of rehab with a slap on the wrist, would you really want him to get off that easy, or are you people really that pathetic?
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You must be retarded, or have an equally devastating mental disability that impairs cognitive thought.
Please leave.
Annnndddd the emotional arguments kick in. Try to avoid those, as they hold no merit in an actual debate.
I've already explained why your basic summary hold no water, so I'll leave it at that.
And rehab for people with psychological disorders of his magnitude will last for years, probably even longer than an actual sentence. It's not like it's a loophole to avoid jail time. Most people who are psychologically unstable will be in rehab for most, if not their entire life.
So please, research the alternative before you start making baseless generalizations and assumptions about it.
And again, re-read the bolded statement, and hopefully you'll notice the stupidity behind it.
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Anyone (for the most part) who does something in the heat of a moment, isn't in their right mind. Those who have time to think about it, plan it out, or hell even have enough time to think out the consquences of their actions have all the right to go to jail for what the kid did.
The kid however wasn't sane, I don't want him in general public again. But to give him capital punishment is a bit much. Put him in a mental hospital or something like that. But to give him jail time for the mind set he was in... it's almost the same as a crime of passion, cept he might of been insane a little longer in his life then then 20 seconds it takes to kill someone.
The kid however wasn't sane, I don't want him in general public again. But to give him capital punishment is a bit much. Put him in a mental hospital or something like that. But to give him jail time for the mind set he was in... it's almost the same as a crime of passion, cept he might of been insane a little longer in his life then then 20 seconds it takes to kill someone.
But in all reality... I think I might be insane...
Originally Posted by Estimax
True, capital punishment for his crime may be a little too overwhelming for him. He's only 17.
If he had the balls to kill his family, he can handle capital punishment.
Oracle may have made me look like a bitch to due my shitty term usage, but who the fuck cares that he's "only 17". He murdered two people in cold blood, with preparation. This was not a crime of passion. He should face 20+ years and lifetime rehabilitation.
I'm really starting to think that you people don't know how serious this actually is.
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Originally Posted by Agentmax
Anyone (for the most part) who does something in the heat of a moment, isn't in their right mind. Those who have time to think about it, plan it out, or hell even have enough time to think out the consquences of their actions have all the right to go to jail for what the kid did.
The kid had a lot of time to plan this, and its still debatable as to if he was "insane" or had any mental condition that would incline him to violence.
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Originally Posted by 4zb41
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IMO there's no way his actions are rational. He stated outright that he didn't even have a reason to kill them, just that he'd been planning to. And then he goes on to say he would kill just about anyone because they're rude and have bad attitudes.
Wut.
Kid's messed up. Having next to no motive for killing people and doing it regardless is edging into psychopath territory. It's also a bit concerning that he starts berating himself like it's not him he's talking about.
As for charges, yeah IMO he should be charged with the murders of his family members, and no he shouldn't get off of it by arguing insanity or whatever. I certainly hope we don't get irritating people showing up saying "Oh he's just confused" or "He just needs counselling" and again let him off the hook.
Oh, and a .22 caliber anything is a poor choice for murder, just saying.
Also read this.
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