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Originally Posted by Quilt View Post
Obviously i've never heard of someone dieing from Mary-J.

If you read this thread you will find at least one example of someone dieing from a stroke induced by cannabis.

The logic people use when they say "no one has ever died from cannabis" is ridiculous, it generally goes like this;
"No one has ever died from cannabis, but people have died from other things while under the influence"

Yeah? Really?
"It was the stroke that killed him, not the cannabis"
"It was driving in to a tree that killed him, not the cannabis"

It's incredible that people just accept this logic.

No one ever died from cigarettes either you know? It's mostly the cancer that gets them. People don't die from alcohol, it's usually just a lack of water or driving in to something or falling off something. People don't even die from guns, usually it's just the blood loss or trauma that gets them.

Originally Posted by Quilt View Post
I dont see why people discourage it, It's very helpful for people in some cases. (Disease wise.) But honestly it grows from the ground its not altered at all. You can't compare it to "Real" drugs like Coke thats a altered and a man made drug.

And here is ridiculous argument number 2 and 3;
"there are some legitimate uses for it"
What percent of people do you think have legitimate uses for it? Less than 1%? Less than 0.1%? There's nothing cannabis does that can't be done by other drugs anyway.

"it grows in the ground so it can't be bad"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
If you read this thread you will find at least one example of someone dieing from a stroke induced by cannabis.

The logic people use when they say "no one has ever died from cannabis" is ridiculous, it generally goes like this;
"No one has ever died from cannabis, but people have died from other things while under the influence"

Yeah? Really?
"It was the stroke that killed him, not the cannabis"
"It was driving in to a tree that killed him, not the cannabis"

It's incredible that people just accept this logic.

No one ever died from cigarettes either you know? It's mostly the cancer that gets them. People don't die from alcohol, it's usually just a lack of water or driving in to something or falling off something. People don't even die from guns, usually it's just the blood loss or trauma that gets them.


And here is ridiculous argument number 2 and 3;
"there are some legitimate uses for it"
What percent of people do you think have legitimate uses for it? Less than 1%? Less than 0.1%? There's nothing cannabis does that can't be done by other drugs anyway.

"it grows in the ground so it can't be bad"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants

I lol'd so fucking hard at 3 am when I saw this.

The bolded part that is.

Anyways for the most part you say is true, I'm still against it but it has been proven to do less damage then cigs and alcohol. Not that it doesn't do damage but it does less then their counter parts that are getting slack but have been accepted by society a lot longer then our friend marry jane.
But in all reality... I think I might be insane...
Originally Posted by Turtlenecks View Post
Last year, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that that moderate use of marijuana has no association with pulmonary functions - smoking marijuana, moderately, at least, does not cause lung cancer. Link to journal.

Except smoking anything at all is inherently dangerous to your lungs.

Let's not trot out the pretend-marijuana-is-healthy bandwagon. In reality we have very little idea what effect marijuana might have over decades of use, and conflicting studies from biased sources are no help.

Originally Posted by Turtlenecks
Yeah, repeatedly shouting that you've won the debate doesn't actually mean you've won the debate. It just means you look like an ignorant, almost toddler-like autistic.

Never mind. You're here because you want to show everyone how right you are, not have a real discussion about whether that's the case.

Honestly, the back and forth "POT MAKES U STUPID NO IT DON'T MICHAEL PHELPS SMOKED IT" without a single citation to anything is the most entertaining part of this thread.
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Originally Posted by Turtlenecks View Post
The last thread about Marijuana was a year ago, and it got closed since it was shit - so, it's about time for a new, proper one.

2013. Big new world. What's going to happen? What's your personal opinion on marijuana in general? What's your opinion on marijuana in regards to health? In regards to the law? Lot's of questions. To get the ball rolling, I've written up some key facts.

For the past 40 years, there's been a big movement to legalise marijuana, and only recently, has it started to really pick up steam. In 2012, Colorado and Washington become the first two states to fully legalised marijuana, for both medical and non-medical uses.

Currently, 20 states have marijuana legalised to some degree, for either medical or non-medical use. Kansas senator David Haley just today introduced a medical marijuana bill to the state senate.

Last year, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that that moderate use of marijuana has no association with pulmonary functions - smoking marijuana, moderately, at least, does not cause lung cancer. Link to journal.

Marijuana usage while pregnant does not lead to increased perinatal mortality, although, it may lead to a statistically detectable slight decrease in birth weight. Link to abstract.


So, the questions again, What's going to happen with marijuana in 2013? What's your personal opinion on marijuana in general? What's your opinion on marijuana in regards to health? In regards to the law?

Marijuana is Amazing, it help with many different type of symptoms and even can cure cancerous cells. It has many other great resourceful uses, such as; Fuel, clothes, cars, everything thing, everything, everything: Smoke, Toke, light and Share some laughs, idk its just a great experience that at least everyone should try and see what happens. Ganja never killed anyone, although it breaks your heart when out out. xD
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For everyone saying it cures cancerous cells, you are wrong. I am a pothead myself, but weed does not do shit to cancer. They issue medical weed to cancer patients because after getting kemo, it helps take out the pain and also allows them to eat. THC is just like a pain killer, it does not slow down cancer, nor cure it. It only takes away the pain and allows you to eat.
As for weed being harmful, yea ok. I bet you are a non-pot smoker who has never smoked it a day in their life. As for it making people slow? I been smoking it for 5 years, and still as smart as I used to. Hell, when I am high I am alot smarter then when I am sober, just my social skills lack due to shit acting like it's going slow. As for it killing, get a fucking life and stop listening to your doctor and parents because they don't want to see you behind bars. WEED DOES NOT KILL, fi you want to show me proof, if you are selfish enough to even attempt to waste your time finding it since there is no proof, then go ahead. I have alot of stats about weed not killing anyone to backfire your little "facts".
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Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
As for weed being harmful, yea ok.

That's right, it is harmful.
Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
I bet you are a non-pot smoker who has never smoked it a day in their life.

That's correct, whenever possible I refrain from participating in harmful activities.
Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
As for it making people slow? I been smoking it for 5 years, and still as smart as I used to.

So you are still as smart as you were when you were 13? That's not much of an achievement.
Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
Hell, when I am high I am alot smarter then when I am sober, just my social skills lack due to shit acting like it's going slow.

Cannabis is known to inhibit mental capacities. You just think you are smarter when you are high because your ability to judge yourself are inhibited. Similarly when you are high you think you are better at physical activities, when you are definitely not.
Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
As for it killing, get a fucking life and stop listening to your doctor and parents because they don't want to see you behind bars.

So, peer reviewed journal articles are altered for my personal benefit? I'm honoured, but I'm not self-centered enough to believe that.
Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
WEED DOES NOT KILL, fi you want to show me proof, if you are selfish enough to even attempt to waste your time finding it since there is no proof, then go ahead. I have alot of stats about weed not killing anyone to backfire your little "facts".

In this thread we have already discussed it, but cannabis has been proven to increase chance of stroke. The most well known case is probably Paul Dumville who died of a brain haemorrhage due to cannabis abuse. He was 23.
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
In this thread we have already discussed it, but cannabis has been proven to increase chance of stroke. The most well known case is probably Paul Dumville who died of a brain haemorrhage due to cannabis abuse. He was 23.

You know what also causes strokes? Stress/anxiety and depression (Link to stats). Many people smoke marijuana to help manage stress and anxiety.

My point is, the positive effects outweight the negative.

I'll end this post with a quote from former US DEA chief administrative law judge Judge Francis Young,
"There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality....Despite [a] long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity....Marijuana's therapeutic ratio is impossible to quantify because it is so high....Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
That's right, it is harmful.

That's correct, whenever possible I refrain from participating in harmful activities.

So you are still as smart as you were when you were 13? That's not much of an achievement.

Cannabis is known to inhibit mental capacities. You just think you are smarter when you are high because your ability to judge yourself are inhibited. Similarly when you are high you think you are better at physical activities, when you are definitely not.

So, peer reviewed journal articles are altered for my personal benefit? I'm honoured, but I'm not self-centered enough to believe that.

In this thread we have already discussed it, but cannabis has been proven to increase chance of stroke. The most well known case is probably Paul Dumville who died of a brain haemorrhage due to cannabis abuse. He was 23.

I like how you spit out opinions instead of facts. Last I remeber, opinions are not true all the time unlike facts, 100% true.
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Originally Posted by DeakManiac View Post
I like how you spit out opinions instead of facts. Last I remeber, opinions are not true all the time unlike facts, 100% true.

That's his way of saying he doesn't know.
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