HTOTM: FUSION
@onamist: You can call bullshit all you like but in the end all you have is unsubstantiated slander, and the fact is unless you go and phsically see it for yourself, youll never really know. and i accept that by makeing that statement; i dont really know anything for sure either, but unlike you, i never claimed that i did, all i put in my post was a possibility for why he is able to survive. As for your opinion of me making up bullshit about god induced illusions, Your wrong, and clearly didnt actually bother to read my post in which i actually stated "My opinion" was that it was a "forced evolution", as in god had nothing to do with it, belief did. and i could be wrong about why this might occur as it could be any number of reasons but i would say its either living conditions or extreme religious belief.

on a side note instead of bashing you could just accept that there is never only one perspective to a story, even if some people agree not everyone will and you cant do a whole lot to change other peoples opinions so try to "Act" decent by acknowledging i have a different opinion than you, and ignoring my post instead of chopping it into pieces, quoiting it, and commenting on every thing you disagree with.
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Originally Posted by Gorman View Post
ivolt: and yet the guy has gone without water under strict observation, for 10 days and 15.

but has anyone ever gone over 3 weeks?

I'm just trying to say that 70 years is very unlikely.

As for vamp, the whole point of discussion is to use reason and fact to make your opinion worth more then others. It's why we don't listen to people with bad spelling and grammar.
My seniority means you should probably just agree with everything I say
i find discussion is more often used to make your opinions heard, and as far as gain goes, to make your opinion seem the most viable. Taking what someone else has said and saying its crap with no bases for why they think its crap, on the other hand is not discussion.
Last edited by Vamp_09; Jun 1, 2010 at 01:06 PM.
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This is not how evolution occurs, works, et cetera et cetera. You start making logical and substantiated claims, and maybe we will consider them.

Your opinion is not viable from any point of view, no matter how you try to explain it.

"Forced evolution" is not a possibility, it's an uneducated and completely ridiculous attempt to try and explain this hoax.

I'd love to force evolution on you with my fist, maybe you'd start coming up with logical and possible explanations.
Originally Posted by Vamp_09 View Post
I disagree. I wont tell you i believe in werewolfs and that crap but i do believe that the human race is capable of evolving into something else, and i think that if he truely does believe that a god touched his tongue, or whatever else it is than that might be enough to push an evolutionary change into fruition.... kind of like "mind over matter" but on more of a subconscious level.

Look at that i presented a possible scientific reason for why your "miracle" has occurred, i mean lets face it, even if this was a hoax and he's only been fasting for the last little while, that still doesn't explane how he survived in the hospital... not to mention the reporters have no reason to lie, Anyone could just go and watch this guy fast for a month or two. Im sure he would have been pronounced a fake by now if he was.

I really hope this is a troll post and you're not this ignorant and well... mentally retarded.

The first bit is complete bullshit that makes no sense at all, if he believes god touched his tongue his body can evolve to keep him alive? Why do people who believe in a god die then? Surely they can evolve instantaneously like pokemon to fly, breathe under water, dodge bullets, etc.?

You presented no scientific reasoning at all, you just use the word evolution and claim that that means whatever you say is scientifically proven? The reporters have every reason to lie --> money.
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Originally Posted by Vamp_09 View Post
Taking what someone else has said and saying its crap with no bases for why they think its crap, on the other hand is not discussion.

Well, here are some "bases" that are pretty obvious and he probably thought would be pretty redundant to explain again (this is page 8 )

"Evolution" doesnt happen in a single individual, unless we preassume that there is some sort of preset path for it to go through eg. will of god or the world is deterministic. The genes also need to be spread around. The idea of the man manually changing his genes so to survive sounds ridiculous, what would be the physical means of doing so?

Its physically impossible for a being to move itself around without having energy (from nutrition) to use to cause the momentum. I guess its possible for humans to become more energy efficient in some manner, but 70 years is a ridiculous idea and prolonged fasting at least causes damage to the brain and the rest of the body thus making this whole idea less useful for "evolution".
Last edited by Zaarock; Jun 1, 2010 at 03:04 PM.
He falsely fasted in the forest for 70 years, and i can explain how.

As he was in the forest, nobody could even see him, and he might just camped there, eating fruit, and then coming back claiming that he never eated. I belive this theory has been advanced many times, but this man can keep his claims until his death, because nobody will ever proof that he said something wrong. We can keep discussing as long as we wish whitout reaching any result.
Though i can't still explain him surviving in the hospital.
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A couple years ago I got this really bad disease where I had no energy and couldn't eat anything. So basically I spent 2-3 weeks in bed, sleeping 23 hours a day. I didn't eat a single thing that whole time. Does that mean I was touched by a god?