i don't know about other countries but in India,gay ppl have equal rights like the normal ppl
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Originally Posted by Hyde
'Marriage' specifically means the union between a man and a woman.
It does not refer to a union between 2 people.
Gay people should not be allowed to 'marry', per say, but as displayed in an episode of family guy, they should have their own form of 'marriage', with similar rights.
Lets face it, marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman. Wouldn't it be easier to create something else to accommodate the homosexuals instead of pissing off entire institutions by attempting to change their rules?
QFT
My thoughts exactly.
Originally Posted by Jim
Aside from the fact that the words separation of church and state was never actually apart of the constitution, to determine whether or not a supposedly 'religious' law is unconstitutional or not, courts use a process called the 'Lemon' test. If a law fails the Lemon test then it's unconstitutional. According to the courts, marriage passed the Lemon test and I don't think we know better on this than a supreme court judge.
tl;dr, Marriage doesn't violate the separation of church and state.
The constitution?
You must be very patriotic to make a general discussion turn into one about the USA. I know that that country is amazing and supertastic and all, but an attempt to keep it out of this discussion unless it proves a specific point for the general discussion would be nice.
Btw: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
No separation, yeah, right.
You also keep missing the point by a great deal.
Not religion controls the legal rights to marry but the government does in all countries where marriage is backed up by laws.
Most of which governments are elected by people.
You may, as a gay person, be unable to marry in a church and that is fine.
The legal contract between people has little to nothing to do with religion in the present.
People evolve, when people make up their minds about gay rights and such they will come to the conclusion that gay marriage should be legalized.
It is happening right now, the fact that the legalization of gay marriage started ten years ago proves it. You ignoring that is like keeping your ears shut and singing lalalalla.
More ande more countries will legalize it in the future.
I just realized I could have just quoted BoredPayne's post since it pretty much disproves most you points.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Civil rights is typically a winning cause over time, and the percentage of the population that is either gay or atheist is growing.
QFT and stuff.
Even though I don't agree with the correlation between gays, atheists and civil rights made in this statement.
Last edited by Redundant; Apr 22, 2011 at 09:53 AM.
How are you?
IMO marriage is sick either between 2 hetero or homo people.
Why sick?
Cause it's somekind of church program to create ideal society - in fact it's never ideal.
Why sick?
Cause it's somekind of church program to create ideal society - in fact it's never ideal.
Originally Posted by Redundant
The constitution?
You must be very patriotic to make a general discussion turn into one about the USA. I know that that country is amazing and supertastic and all, but an attempt to keep it out of this discussion unless it proves a specific point for the general discussion would be nice.
Don't be an idiot.
Payne mentioned the separation of church and state as a reason why the law is shit. As soon as somebody says those words everyone immediately thinks of Article 6. Or do we really have to explain to you every logical step we take? Fuck off.
Originally Posted by Redundant
Btw: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
No separation, yeah, right.
Read Article 6. Nowhere does it say 'separation between church and state'. It's because of this lack of clarity that the whole Lemon procedure was created.
Originally Posted by Redundant
You also keep missing the point by a great deal.
Not religion controls the legal rights to marry but the government does in all countries where marriage is backed up by laws.
Most of which governments are elected by people.
You may, as a gay person, be unable to marry in a church and that is fine.
The legal contract between people has little to nothing to do with religion in the present.
I can't for the life of me grasp what your point is here. Make it succinct and clearly state what you mean.
What I can grasp is that you believe marriage is simply a legal contract. Ideally, that would be so, but it's not. Marriage a a legal procedure influenced by religion. This influence by religion is allowed under the Lemon procedure and has been validated by the courts. Thus why gays can't marry.
Seriously though, you string together thoughts with no interlocking central idea. Makes your shit hard to read.
Originally Posted by Redundant
People evolve, when people make up their minds about gay rights and such they will come to the conclusion that gay marriage should be legalized.
It is happening right now, the fact that the legalization of gay marriage started ten years ago proves it. You ignoring that is like keeping your ears shut and singing lalalalla.
Marriage is religious. Religion rarely changes, and I doubt a long held religious tradition will be overturned. Look at history. Look at all of the religious conflicts. Look at how many of them are still happening today.
