There ARE countries that ban guns, and their murder rates are lower. Please explain how banning guns sends us back to the dark ages.

This is obviously not about banning guns for military use: that would be asinine. This is about stopping civilians from owning excessively dangerous firearms.

I didn't say that it would definitely decrease death rates, but in a situation like a mugging for example if someone was pointing a gun at you, you're more likely to just give in and give them what they want than for example, a knife which you could potentially run away from. And when I was talking about it sending us to the dark ages, that was a hyperbole. We still would have nice amounts of technology for it would just be a minor set back.
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf read the first 3 pages with the actual material on them.

No, you are completely wrong. I have never read a study that says that having a gun will save you in a mugging (for example). If you shot someone in a mugging in US you would go to prison, so your logic doesn't even stand. Maybe you have been watching too many TV shows, but if you pulled out a gun and shot someone because they wanted you to hand over your wallet, you would definitely go to prison.

Besides that, can you really pull a gun faster than a mugger can pull a trigger? NO. Of course not, don't be ridiculous. Even if you carry cocked and loaded, your draw will definitely not be faster than his squeeze.

There are plenty of countries in the world that don't allow carry -and none of them are in the dark ages. Why is that? Because it's 20fucking12, so no one is in the dark ages.

Having the ability to kill anyone you want is not the mark of a civilized society. Plenty of other cultures get by without having to demand respect via mutually assured destruction.


Did you even read that?

Holy shit I really hope it is a joke.
Within the first paragraph we had a handful of logical fallacies, within the second we have "Since at least 1965, the false assertion that the United States has the industrialized world’s highest murder rate has been an artifact of politically motivated Soviet minimization designed to hide the true homicide rates."

Reading this it is clear that this is a shill.


USA has the 10th highest firearm related death rate. All those above it are third world countries - some are active war zones.
Are you seriously telling me that US is only civilized because of mutually assured destruction? Doesn't that speak to a much deeper problem in the US?

Have you not read a singlt thing that I've said? I have not once said that you pull a gun on a mugger who has his gun trained on you, I said that if the mugger has a gun trained on you you are more likely to just give him what he wants and not get shot. Never anywhere have I said that you pull a gun on a mugger. And I did read that, and if you looked at that small graph on the fourth page it specifically states that russia has a lower gun ownership rate that let's say France which has a much lower death rate and and almost eight times the amount of people who own guns.
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And when it says that the soviet union hides tru homocide rates, that means they make it look lower to make them look better, not higher

>the soviet union
>2012

wat

I assure you Russia does not mask their crime rates.

Yeah, ok, so now I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Giving your money to mugger => modern
Running away from mugger => dark ages




THIS IS TERRIBLE LOGIC

Seriously? Immortal, have you gotten a 6th grade education? if someone points a gun at you you will do what they say, therefore you do not die because you gave them your money and they don't want to risk killing someone. This has nothing to do with the dark ages and modern days. If I were to walk up to you one day, pull a gun out and say "If you don't do ______ I wil shoot you" you will do what I say because guess what? I would have a gun. Now if I were to come up and say the same thing, except using a knife, I know I would be much more likely to try and attack because with a knife my chances of surviving are a little bit higher. Guns can be used as a sort of scare tactic rather than and actual killing machine. and Hyde, I read that part with the soviet union incorrectly and was just using them as an example, no offence was meant.

Immortal please stop giving out random shit that you quote rokcet on, Please give me some real information of your statements not "Wow your wrong! Believe me!"

And back to the arguement, If someone is with a godamn gun pointed at your face, your going to do what he says.

The funny thing is you're proving the other side the more you post because all your posts follow this general trend:

guns make crime easier > therefore give guns to everyone

or

people are inherently violent > therefore give guns to everyone

Which are terrible arguments against gun control.

In other countries yes have gun control and their murder rate is down but htis is america 1.
Even if we have gun control organizations such as gangs will run rampant on regular citizens since we dont have weapons. Gun control will make citizens defenseless.
If we make them illegal people will find a way to get them