Originally Posted by Bayless
I was just pointing out that anything can happen, so why should we deprive someone of the possibility of having a good life.
It's retarded to see that you guys are perfectly fine with murder because you think it will be better for them.
It's the same thing you wrote in each of your posts above. If you don't add any other point to the discussion i'm not even going to answer you.
Originally Posted by ZephAxix
um..no. You see, a child inside a mother's stomach is technically living. It may be dependant on the mother but it is still technically living. And, since abortion would kill a living thing, it is , in many ways, murder. As murder is a crime, abortion should be illegal as abortion is a "form" of murder. (NO)
.....no
If a woman is brutally raped there's no way you can say she is obligated to have the baby it's blasphemous. Second, if a woman has sex and isn't ready for a baby or for whatever personal reason, it would be cruel to force her to have to baby. Although I would find it disgusting if a woman would just have sex with everyone unprotected, with the mentality that if she gets pregnant she can have an abortion. Making abortion illegal also conflicts with a persons freedoms. I understand some might say that making murder illegal is taking away from someone's freedom, and to that I say
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Curious aren't you.
Just a thought experiment for some people saying abortion is equivalent to child murder:
Ok, so you go out one night and get drunk. You are walking home but a group of people grab you and put you in a van. They chloroform you or some shit so you fall asleep. You wake up lying in a hospital bed with the 3 guys sitting opposite you. You are attached to some sort of life support machine which, on the other side of it, is attached to another person, unconscious. Your captors tell you that the man in the bed opposite you is required to be plugged into your bloodstream in order to survive (I know that makes no scientific sense but it's a thought experiment ok?). They tell you he is in a vegetable state with no self awareness and that unplugging him would cause him a painless death. They tell you that he will recover from the state in about 40 weeks but that you will need to take him everywhere you go until then. You have no idea who the man is but there is a pretty high chance his life will be basically shit once he wakes up.
Sorry for being shit at describing metaphors. Basically, you had no choice about this, the guy is going to greatly inconvenience you for 40 weeks and you don't even know that he isn't a criminal. Bearing in mind actual pregnancy causes nausea and mood swings and shit. I personally would unplug him, fuck that guy, I have my own shit to deal with and dragging him around everywhere could damage my future.
Thoughts?
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Have you ever learnt any biology? How did you even come to that conclusion? I am genuinely interested to hear the thought process behind that.
Ok, so you go out one night and get drunk. You are walking home but a group of people grab you and put you in a van. They chloroform you or some shit so you fall asleep. You wake up lying in a hospital bed with the 3 guys sitting opposite you. You are attached to some sort of life support machine which, on the other side of it, is attached to another person, unconscious. Your captors tell you that the man in the bed opposite you is required to be plugged into your bloodstream in order to survive (I know that makes no scientific sense but it's a thought experiment ok?). They tell you he is in a vegetable state with no self awareness and that unplugging him would cause him a painless death. They tell you that he will recover from the state in about 40 weeks but that you will need to take him everywhere you go until then. You have no idea who the man is but there is a pretty high chance his life will be basically shit once he wakes up.
Sorry for being shit at describing metaphors. Basically, you had no choice about this, the guy is going to greatly inconvenience you for 40 weeks and you don't even know that he isn't a criminal. Bearing in mind actual pregnancy causes nausea and mood swings and shit. I personally would unplug him, fuck that guy, I have my own shit to deal with and dragging him around everywhere could damage my future.
Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Bayless
IF anything it should be the fathers choice, not the mothers. Sense that is where the child came from.
Have you ever learnt any biology? How did you even come to that conclusion? I am genuinely interested to hear the thought process behind that.
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Originally Posted by ZephAxix (AND ALL THE OTHER "it's living so we can't kill it" POSTS
um..no. You see, a child inside a mother's stomach is technically living. It may be dependant on the mother but it is still technically living. And, since abortion would kill a living thing, it is , in many ways, murder. As murder is a crime, abortion should be illegal as abortion is a "form" of murder. (NO)
Already been brought up, but seriously, if you're going to argue that something is "technically X" then you need to define X.
Originally Posted by DryProfit
They're babies. There's studies that show they have feelings. Just because they haven't left a womb yet doesn't mean they're just blobs of flesh that are okay to kill if you don't feel like taking care of them.
[needs citation but unlikely to find any reputable ones]
Originally Posted by AntiPeople
I'd say right when its heart starts beating. Which is around 2-3 months, if I remember correctly.
If you isolate and culture heart cells they'll continue "beating" independently. Heartbeat really has no relevance to life.
Originally Posted by Icky
https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourc...ine%20parasiteparasite ˈparəsʌɪt/Submit noun 1. an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
Just putting this out there.
Before some of you claim about the different types of parasitic relationships;
Commensalism Commensalism is a type of relationship where one of the organisms benefits greatly from the symbiosis. The other is not helped but is not harmed or damaged from the relationship. In other words, this is a one-sided symbiotic relationship.
This is the category that the baby falls into while it's in the womb.Parasitism In parasitism, one organism benefits from the relationship but at the expense of the other. The organism may live inside the other’s body or on its surface. In some of these parasitic relationships the host dies and in others, it is important that ted host remain alive.
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/e...symbiosis.htmlMutualism Mutualism is a close relationship where both parties benefit. Both species will benefit from the relationship and many of these relationships are long-lasting.
So if we fall onto the TYPE of parasite relationship. Woud you take away someones right to DEFEND themselves from a parasite? Are you going to claim that they can't get rid of that tapeworm?
And if you extend that logic just a little bit, the homeless are also parasitic. Really not the best argument to be using.
Originally Posted by jmo1999
There is a reason that animals are on earth and that is ONLY for the use of by humans. Now does that mean we can't be humane and respectful? Of course not!! But it does mean that we have many more rights than them.
what
no
Originally Posted by jmo1999
Ok on to the current subject of abortion. I don't agree ATOL
heh
Originally Posted by Bayless
IF anything it should be the fathers choice, not the mothers. Sense that is where the child came from.
... You do understand how conception works, right?
Originally Posted by ClanDesign
yES THIS IS A THING
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Originally Posted by deprav
4. Someone mentionned that every human life is possibly meaningful and "any unborn baby is a potential Steve Jobs", fuck Steve Jobs. He didn't invent shiet, he was just a marketing god and brainwashed millions of people to the point they still consume his products like mindless pigs. /offtopic
Any unborn baby is a potential Hitler. I think we should abort everyone just to be sure.
Now, let's imagine that none of those abortions took place and all of those new children are now in the world. And for nicety's sake, let's assume half of them stayed with their birth families, and the other half went into foster care. That is 392,000 new children that are now in the care of foster homes. Let's extrapolate those previous numbers out to our new number of children: 789,000. 114,400 Children will be in group homes without a family. And most of these children will age out of the foster care system and be left to fend for themselves. Doesn't seem like a good idea to throw out hundreds of thousands of relatively uneducated and statistically dumber people into the workforce, especially in this oversaturated job market. Forcing women to keep their children won't just affect them. It will affect the US as a whole and potentially cause enormous problems in our economy (more problems than we have already, that is).
