HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by iPortal View Post
But you don't have any evidence right here to justify your opinions, you have the point of view of someone you respect because they have a certificate. I'm gay myself and I can tell you it's not just something you turn on and off, I can't be straight without acting like I enjoy it because it's not something I like, or am even attracted to girls. It's not a choice.

What ive said has nothing to do with wether it's a thing you turn off or no that's not what im trying to defend here the way it works is you will always like homosexuality or heterosexuality more what you like more is shat you identify as so saying you are bisexual while yeah you can use it do describe your sexual preferences if someone asks your sexual orientation it's heterosexual or homosexual all im saying m8 and If there wasn't any supporting evidence the teacher wouldn't be teaching it
Last edited by Pimp; Feb 25, 2016 at 01:19 PM.
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Bisexuality is still a legitimate, approved and studied sexual orientation.
You still didn't show any sources that prove it's not.
Last edited by dead_old; Feb 25, 2016 at 02:41 PM.
Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
What ive said has nothing to do with wether it's a thing you turn off or no that's not what im trying to defend here the way it works is you will always like homosexuality or heterosexuality more what you like more is shat you identify as so saying you are bisexual while yeah you can use it do describe your sexual preferences if someone asks your sexual orientation it's heterosexual or homosexual all im saying m8 and If there wasn't any supporting evidence the teacher wouldn't be teaching it

I think I understand what your teacher and you are trying to say, but I don't think it makes any sense (perhaps you've misinterpreted your teacher's position).

If homosexuality is being 100% into guys and heterosexuality is being 100% in women (from the male pov), then bisexuality is a sexual orientation that involves a varying ratio between the two. If you were 40% into guys and 60% into women then you can't call yourself either homo or straight (since these require 100% either way). This means that you'd be labelled as something else - Bisexual.

Do you believe that labelling a dude who is 40% 49.9% into guys as 'heterosexual' is truly correct? Forgive me if I've misinterpreted your argument entirely and this isn't what you were suggesting.
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You've also made a distinction between sexual preference and sexual orientation (you support bisexuality as a sexual preference but not as a sexual orientation). Can you elaborate on the difference between the two? As far as I'm aware, 'preference' and 'orientation' are just synonyms.
Last edited by Ele; Feb 25, 2016 at 03:01 PM.
Originally Posted by Shiro View Post
Bisexuality is still a legitimate, approved and studied sexual orientation.
You still didn't show any sources that prove it's not.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cgr103113.php
Teacher directed me to this link and also said in psychology there is no such thing as bisexuality it doesn't hold up apparently but in the medical feild they may recognize it as a thing
honestly idek
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Originally Posted by Ele View Post
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You've also made a distinction between sexual preference and sexual orientation (you support bisexuality as a sexual preference but not as a sexual orientation). Can you elaborate on the difference between the two? As far as I'm aware, 'preference' and 'orientation' are just synonyms.

I used the wrong word there he tells me that sexual identity is what you all are thinking about your sexual identity is homo hetero asexual bisexual and many others
But orientation is the key word you can't not be oriented to one or the other (homo and hetero) being those options
Last edited by Pimp; Feb 25, 2016 at 08:19 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
I used the wrong word there he tells me that sexual identity is what you all are thinking about your sexual identity is homo hetero asexual bisexual and many others
But orientation is the key word you can't not be oriented to one or the other (homo and hetero) being those options

So someone who is asexual has to be orientated homo or hetero?

That doesn't make much sense to me.

Would you mind defining sexual orientation and sexual identity? I want to make sure we are on the same page here.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cgr103113.php
Teacher directed me to this link and also said in psychology there is no such thing as bisexuality it doesn't hold up apparently but in the medical feild they may recognize it as a thing
honestly idek

As we established on IRC, your teacher is, most definitely, talking shit. It's kind of boggling how dumb your teacher is if he linked you that as evidence that bisexuality doesn't 'hold up'. All the link talks about are the results of a study that found that straight men are 3x more likely (than gay men) to disagree that bisexuality is a sexual orientation. That has nothing to do with whether or not bisexuality is actually a legitimate sexual orientation. The link holds no relevance or weight at all in proving his/your argument. I'm doubting this teacher is even telling you + linking you to these things, because he must be mind-bogglingly incompetent if he is.

Originally Posted by Pimp View Post
I used the wrong word there he tells me that sexual identity is what you all are thinking about your sexual identity is homo hetero asexual bisexual and many others
But orientation is the key word you can't not be oriented to one or the other (homo and hetero) being those options

Sexuality is not a coin, with heterosexuality on one side and homosexuality on the other. It's a continuum. The following is a quote from the APA (American Psychological Association) - basically the gold standard reference for these types of issues. Take note of the inclusion of bisexuality as a sexual orientation.
Originally Posted by APA
Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women).

There's more to the paper and if you want to learn more you can read it here. More recently, asexuality has also become considered to be a legitimate sexual orientation. If you're going to continue arguing that bisexuality isn't a legitimate sexual orientation, then you're going up against a tide of evidence and the accepted status quo.

Sorry if this post came across as disdainful in any way (this wasn't my intent), but it's just such a ridiculous position to hold and it takes almost no time to do a little bit of research to debunk it, so I would've thought someone like you would've done that by now.
Last edited by Ele; Feb 26, 2016 at 04:15 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Sorry if this post came across as disdainful in any way (this wasn't my intent), but it's just such a ridiculous position to hold and it takes almost no time to do a little bit of research to debunk it, so I would've thought someone like you would've done that by now.

honestly i don't understand what my teacher is talking about but i was telling you guys what he told me and he seems a bit peeved that i keep asking him about it so im just going to stop honestly i don't understand how he is still on the side of it isn't a sexual orientation and also i read that link and didn't really understand how it helped his case but it was better to just accept it than t keep challenging him but again it makes no sense why my psychology teacher would lie or mislead me on this subject it doesn't make sense at all i mean he showed us his degree first day of class (egotistical i know) im just going to believe what he has taught me all the other things he has taught seem to be solid im in denial i know but what am i supposed to do?
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Originally Posted by Ele View Post
Sexuality is not a coin, with heterosexuality on one side and homosexuality on the other. It's a continuum. The following is a quote from the APA (American Psychological Association) - basically the gold standard reference for these types of issues. Take note of the inclusion of bisexuality as a sexual orientation.

http://kinseyconfidential.org/sexual...l-orientation/
after seeing this im guessing what he is teaching is just out dated
honestly idek
using rationalization to the max right now
Last edited by Pimp; Feb 26, 2016 at 01:21 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Mkay. You asked me to respond to your link, so I will.

The link you provided draws a distinction between sexual identity and sexual orientation, but it still doesn't attempt to support the notion that bisexuality is an illegitimate sexual orientation (or sexual identity).
Originally Posted by Dscigs View Post
If people are born gay, please explain why there are numerous cases where people who have been straight all their lives come out and vice verse, as well as go back and forth.

what,
was that even really a question

It's as simple as this,

A man was born gay but because of social stigma stayed in the closet until he was ready to endure the social stigma associated with Homosexuality.

It's not like they were straight their entire life and then were like "wow i like dick"

Also why would being raised a certain way influence sexuality.

What influences heterosexuality??
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Ok so this is a tricky topic because you can't answer that question unless you are gay.
You have to understand that being gay is a sexual orientation and personally I don't really think you can just choose to like the same or opposite sex. You just kind of do, it's incoded into you. I can't just go "you know I like guys now" and then just boom, Im sexually attracted to men. You just kind of like what you like, it's not just "ehhhhhhhhh yay I want to like men today". I hope this is coming off correctly.
There have also been studies that show most gay people show physical and hormonal features similar to the opposite sex, suggesting that being gay is something you're born with.
When trying to figure out if it's a choice or you're born with it you also have to remember that each case is individual, everyone isn't going to be the same. So, that being said, there are definitely people out there that just want to be special/different and they will choose to be gay, and you know, that's ok it's their life and they can live it how they want.
(Typed on my phone sorry if there are any weird spelling or grammar mistakes)

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