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Ynvaser, you do realize that you advocate for the destruction of an entire culture right? I seem to remember seeing something similar earlier...

As of right now, you're no different than them.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare View Post
Ynvaser, you do realize that you advocate for the destruction of an entire culture right?

Wait, this is normally an argument AGAINST mass immigration. Having countries with declining birth rates flooded with immigrants would seem to be advocating destruction of the host country. We have seen similar things in Sweden, where many schools are now majority foreigners, and there is the notorious report that Britain will be majority muslim by 2050. It seems that immigration is suicide for a culture.

How exactly does this argument function as pro-immigration?
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Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare View Post
Ynvaser, you do realize that you advocate for the destruction of an entire culture right? I seem to remember seeing something similar earlier...

As of right now, you're no different than them.

You do realize you haven't read my posts at all, right?

Have you guys ever crossed a border? (I mean a proper one with border control) So you go to the checkpoint, assuming you aren't a citizen of that country they take down your details. If you need a visa to travel, they'll check if you have one. There's a boatload of paperwork involved, and once it's done you get into the system. The system lets people like secret services and whatnot monitor you in case you are a threat.

If you crawl under a fence and skip that whole process it'll be very hard for anyone to get a hold of you unless you are unlucky enough to run into police who want to identify you.

Strict border control used to be a thing and now we, Europeans suck at it big time. Illegally crossing a border used to mean you were either caught or just shot.
In light of recent events that is how it should be. If you want in, go through the customs desk, or die.

So unless you are assuming that an entire culture is crawling under our fences then no, shooting them wouldn't mean the eradication of an entire culture.
Last edited by ynvaser; Apr 9, 2016 at 01:56 PM.
I must have misunderstood your meaning when you said "Fuck Islam, shoot the migrants." And let's not forget that you volunteer to personally stand at a border patrol station and shoot people in the face. It's not us that are removed from reality. Killing someone isn't as easy as games have made it seem. You would likely be severely traumatized if you actually did that.
Last edited by hawkesnightmare; Apr 9, 2016 at 08:29 PM.
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’'s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Just because your only encounter with violence is through video games doesn't mean that's the case with everyone else. Seeing someone die (brutally) only affected me the first time, second time around it wasn't that shocking (it wasn't people I knew though, road accidents both times) It sucked, but that's how it is.
I'd rather guard a fence and kill than let people hurt my friends and family, if that isn't the case with you that tells a lot about your value as a person.
Originally Posted by ynvaser
I'd rather guard a fence and kill than let people hurt my friends and family, if that isn't the case with you that tells a lot about your value as a person.

Please don't conflate the purposeful killing of refugees (illegal or otherwise) with being the superior moral position to take on this issue.

And no, disagreeing with killing refugees doesn't automatically make someone a liberal.

Originally Posted by ynvaser
Illegally crossing a border used to mean you were either caught or just shot.

Yeah, thankfully nowadays we have internationals rules and norms centred around things like humanitarianism. Running back these rules and norms would mean descending back into the kind of moral dark age we were living in before (and where our opponents live now). We do not stoop to their level. We play the game differently to them. If you're watching a war movie, you'd be able to pick out who the good guys and the bad guys were by the type of moral actions they performed. We're the good guys. It would be incredibly out of character for us to start killing refugees.
Last edited by Ele; Apr 10, 2016 at 06:00 AM.
The funniest part of this discussion is that everyone focuses on the symptoms of this issue. It was the CIA who created ISIS after all. Why would we shoot the victims of a conflict the west has created? We should make the US responsible for solving the issue instead. Actually, let's not do that as they would probably listen to people like ynvaser on how to solve it.
How are you?
Originally Posted by nikosefs View Post
this article i think is pretty spot on:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6942016.html

my point would be:
By taking up the cause of the Syrian and Libyan opposition and
destroying the Syrian and Libyan states,France and Britain
opened the door to Isis and should share in the blame for the rise of Isis
and terrorism in Europe.By refusing to admit to or learn from past mistakes,
the West Europeans did little to lay the basis for the current,surprisingly successful cessation of
hostilities in Syria which is almost entirely an US and Russian achievement.

Britain and France have stuck close to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies in their policies towards Syria.
I asked a former negotiator why this was so and he crisply replied: Money.They wanted Saudi contracts.
After the capture of Salah Abdeslam there is talk of security lapses that had allowed him to evade arrest for so long,
but this is largely irrelevant as terrorist attacks will go on as long
as Isis remains a power.Once again,the wall-to-wall media coverage is allowing Western governments to escape responsibility
for a far worse security failure,which is their own disastrous policies.

i did say something along those lines, that the governments themselves are to blame with the politics
they have followed,but i was ignored x(
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
I'd rather guard a fence and kill than let people hurt my friends and family, if that isn't the case with you that tells a lot about your value as a person.

thats not something personal we are talking about here :/
as you hate to see your familly and friends dying the people you want to be killed have friends and famillys too
so try to switch places btw you and them and then think about it
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Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
The funniest part of this discussion is that everyone focuses on the symptoms of this issue. It was the CIA who created ISIS after all. Why would we shoot the victims of a conflict the west has created? We should make the US responsible for solving the issue instead. Actually, let's not do that as they would probably listen to people like ynvaser on how to solve it.

idk about this
but if this is true can you give any arguments ?
Last edited by Alpha; Apr 10, 2016 at 03:52 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
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Dude, these are mostly military age men running away from military duty at home. They throw fucking babies over the fence at Röszke to distract the police. They have loudspeakers to organize the masses at the border.
I'm not even making this shit up, it was all over the news. Look it up.

"Boo hoo think about their feelings "
I have 0 sympathy for deserters and terrorists. The ones that come legit come through the checkpoint. I'm done talking.
Last edited by ynvaser; Apr 10, 2016 at 05:00 PM.