Originally Posted by SmallBowl
What I was saying was the reverse Gorman, Im not saying Samguris doesnt have to, but if youre going to get him to do it at least have the decency to do the same and practice what you preach -> it was directed at Hyde because of how unbelievably blatant it was with his posts, he'd provided less sources and even used the wording he objected to
If you're looking for the source of those statements, Gorman linked it earlier
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...6/hosb0515.pdf
Samguris dismissed it as biased, y'know, because the guardian and random tabloids are more reliable than a government website.
If you're looking for further sources, I have linked them throughout the thread
Last edited by Hyde; Jul 12, 2016 at 10:25 PM.
Hoss.
Haha alright, honestly I got no drive to discuss with you anymore, but I still will because I ain't leaving my position.
Basically you two (Hyde, wibblefox) are trying to prove your point by nothing but your opinion by now.
Let's count now, how many sources have you provided? Hmm I think you provided like what, one source? Oh excuse me, and you're here to tell me that my arguments are biased? You literally looked at one set of numbers and the rest of your arguments were simply your own bias on this situation. So don't come here telling me that I'm biased.
I've provided plenty of evidence, and you can already stop with this "secondary source" bullshit, because primary source simply does not exist or hardly exists in this situation. The only primary source that exists in this subject are the people themselves that got racially abused. And that reminds me of something. Like this group I linked few posts ago where people actually share their own experiences.
Also I didn't form my opinion before seeing the evidence, I just didn't present the evidence that I had at the very start because I didn't feel like it was necessary. Now can one of you actually reply to why this is all wrong without mocking me at least once? Cause it seems like it's all you're good at so far.
Here are couple additional sources to my claims in case you're still looking for more, this time using pictures,screenshots and video:
1. https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5b&oe=57F478E7 ; https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...db&oe=57F5E783
2. https://www.facebook.com/62538591096...8273557338292/
My argument is that racial abuse increased in UK as a result of Brexit, because many British people feel like all immigrants must be deported now. and that is clearly proved in many of my sources, which tell situations like people are told to go home back to their countries because Brexit. If you fail to prove why my argument is wrong, or just mock me like always, I am default winner in this discussion.
Peace.
Basically you two (Hyde, wibblefox) are trying to prove your point by nothing but your opinion by now.
Let's count now, how many sources have you provided? Hmm I think you provided like what, one source? Oh excuse me, and you're here to tell me that my arguments are biased? You literally looked at one set of numbers and the rest of your arguments were simply your own bias on this situation. So don't come here telling me that I'm biased.
I've provided plenty of evidence, and you can already stop with this "secondary source" bullshit, because primary source simply does not exist or hardly exists in this situation. The only primary source that exists in this subject are the people themselves that got racially abused. And that reminds me of something. Like this group I linked few posts ago where people actually share their own experiences.
Also I didn't form my opinion before seeing the evidence, I just didn't present the evidence that I had at the very start because I didn't feel like it was necessary. Now can one of you actually reply to why this is all wrong without mocking me at least once? Cause it seems like it's all you're good at so far.
Here are couple additional sources to my claims in case you're still looking for more, this time using pictures,screenshots and video:
1. https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5b&oe=57F478E7 ; https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...db&oe=57F5E783
2. https://www.facebook.com/62538591096...8273557338292/
My argument is that racial abuse increased in UK as a result of Brexit, because many British people feel like all immigrants must be deported now. and that is clearly proved in many of my sources, which tell situations like people are told to go home back to their countries because Brexit. If you fail to prove why my argument is wrong, or just mock me like always, I am default winner in this discussion.
Peace.
Last edited by Smaguris; Jul 13, 2016 at 02:12 AM.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Basically you two (Hyde, wibblefox) are trying to prove your point by nothing but your opinion by now.
My only point is that your sources are shit and your opinion is based on bias.
Let's look at your post:
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Let's count now, how many sources have you provided? Hmm I think you provided like what, one source? Oh excuse me, and you're here to tell me that my arguments are biased? You literally looked at one set of numbers and the rest of your arguments were simply your own bias on this situation. So don't come here telling me that I'm biased.
Merely collecting secondary sources that have no citations and do not link or even state their primary sources does not form a good foundation for an argument.
Ask yourself how did you find these sources? I would bet that you did so by googling biased terms such as "racism after brexit". All you are doing is looking for ANY link that supports your opinion. This is not productive, you are feeding your confirmation bias.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
I've provided plenty of evidence, and you can already stop with this "secondary source" bullshit, because primary source simply does not exist or hardly exists in this situation. The only primary source that exists in this subject are the people themselves that got racially abused.
Individual people are a poor sources of information, unless the 23 incidents were one person and they have proof.
If the primary source doesn't exist, then you shouldn't be forming an opinion, end of story.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
And that reminds me of something. Like this group I linked few posts ago where people actually share their own experiences.
And I looked at them, and all I saw was anecdotal evidence, which doesn't tell you the big picture.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Also I didn't form my opinion before seeing the evidence, I just didn't present the evidence that I had at the very start because I didn't feel like it was necessary. Now can one of you actually reply to why this is all wrong without mocking me at least once? Cause it seems like it's all you're good at so far.
Simply not true, you linked a random article and even went so far as to say "some of my fam". If you didn't think it was necessary you wouldn't have done that.
And as you said above, the evidence DOES NOT EXIST.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Here are couple additional sources to my claims in case you're still looking for more, this time using pictures,screenshots and video:
1. https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5b&oe=57F478E7 ; https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...db&oe=57F5E783
2. https://www.facebook.com/62538591096...8273557338292/
My argument is that racial abuse increased in UK as a result of Brexit, because many British people feel like all immigrants must be deported now. and that is clearly proved in many of my sources, which tell situations like people are told to go home back to their countries because Brexit. If you fail to prove why my argument is wrong, or just mock me like always, I am default winner in this discussion.
Peace.
Great, some dude that hates poles and some angry guy in a car.
E x c e l l e n t proof my friend.
Your assertion that these 2 random ass sources proove that "racial abuse increased in UK as a result of Brexit" (even though the statistics show it at an all time low and only 23 incidents have been shown to be related to brexit?) and that "many British people feel like all immigrants must be deported now" (despite NEVER having provided a source to that effect) is absurd. You have neither shown nor proved that, and from what you posted there is NO WAY you could come to that conclusion.
"I am default winner in this discussion." - now we see what this is really about, you don't care about the quality of your sources or the strength of your argument or the validity of your logic, because you have some idea that just by blasting random facebook links you can """win""" a discussion. You are stuck in a feedback loop where your own arguments are feeding your bias.
Please stop that bs and realise that if you willingly blind yourself to the truth no one wins, if you keep going like this then you are the only loser.
And again you come back with the same bs that you did before. "oh this is no way an argument because this is not a valid source/proof"
What do you consider as a valid proof if you don't count articles, videos, photos, personal statements? I really want to know, because by your standards literally nothing that has no numbers involved can be proven.
Even now you're saying "Individual people are a poor sources of information" when individual people are most of the time primary source of attacks like that. Do you even realise that proof which you're asking for is simply impossible.
Your standards are too high to even have a decent discussion because if it doesn't support your claims all you do is simply say "oh that is not a valid evidence"
And by the way yes, especially the video clearly proves why Brexit has everything to do with it. You can very clearly hear the man shout "get the fuck out of my country" and "We're not a part of Europe anymore". But you probably didn't even watch it because you don't care about the truth, and you dont even think about changing your opinion.
By the way the "some of my fam" argument, which you abuse so much, was made because you said "you have been fed this "brits are racist" bit by the leftists so now you are acutely sensitive, especially after reading a news article about the issue, incidents that you may not have given a second thought come to the surface as your brain searches for evidence to confirm what you are reading.". I simply said no, this is not what I heard on the street and just started bitching about, this is what I've witnessed myself and have personal experience on. While you got no idea what is going on and just try to justify everything based on your beliefs. It's honestly pathetic and I got no intentions to discuss with you anymore.
This discussion is dead because you can't present a valid evidence against my claims, you can't disprove hundreds upon hundreds of media articles as well as personal statements by simply saying "oh that's not credible source" while presenting 0 sources yourself, and finally you can't mock someone when you got nothing else to say and then expect people to take you seriously.
Overall I've presented my point, I'm happy with what I've said, your arguments haven't changed my mind as they were based on nothing but opinion.
And before you say something, no, I'm not leaving this discussion because I feel defeated. I'm leaving this discussion because by now this is nothing more than just opinionated argument, which isn't healthy for anyone. Discussions are always rotten as soon as they become personal and grudge based. Me staying here and continuing to argue with you would do nothing but make us hate each other, and that is not my intention.
Bye and have a nice day. o7
What do you consider as a valid proof if you don't count articles, videos, photos, personal statements? I really want to know, because by your standards literally nothing that has no numbers involved can be proven.
Even now you're saying "Individual people are a poor sources of information" when individual people are most of the time primary source of attacks like that. Do you even realise that proof which you're asking for is simply impossible.
Your standards are too high to even have a decent discussion because if it doesn't support your claims all you do is simply say "oh that is not a valid evidence"
And by the way yes, especially the video clearly proves why Brexit has everything to do with it. You can very clearly hear the man shout "get the fuck out of my country" and "We're not a part of Europe anymore". But you probably didn't even watch it because you don't care about the truth, and you dont even think about changing your opinion.
By the way the "some of my fam" argument, which you abuse so much, was made because you said "you have been fed this "brits are racist" bit by the leftists so now you are acutely sensitive, especially after reading a news article about the issue, incidents that you may not have given a second thought come to the surface as your brain searches for evidence to confirm what you are reading.". I simply said no, this is not what I heard on the street and just started bitching about, this is what I've witnessed myself and have personal experience on. While you got no idea what is going on and just try to justify everything based on your beliefs. It's honestly pathetic and I got no intentions to discuss with you anymore.
This discussion is dead because you can't present a valid evidence against my claims, you can't disprove hundreds upon hundreds of media articles as well as personal statements by simply saying "oh that's not credible source" while presenting 0 sources yourself, and finally you can't mock someone when you got nothing else to say and then expect people to take you seriously.
Overall I've presented my point, I'm happy with what I've said, your arguments haven't changed my mind as they were based on nothing but opinion.
And before you say something, no, I'm not leaving this discussion because I feel defeated. I'm leaving this discussion because by now this is nothing more than just opinionated argument, which isn't healthy for anyone. Discussions are always rotten as soon as they become personal and grudge based. Me staying here and continuing to argue with you would do nothing but make us hate each other, and that is not my intention.
Bye and have a nice day. o7
Originally Posted by Smaguris
And again you come back with the same bs that you did before. "oh this is no way an argument because this is not a valid source/proof"
What do you consider as a valid proof if you don't count articles, videos, photos, personal statements? I really want to know, because by your standards literally nothing that has no numbers involved can be proven.
Even now you're saying "Individual people are a poor sources of information" when individual people are most of the time primary source of attacks like that. Do you even realise that proof which you're asking for is simply impossible.
Your standards are too high to even have a decent discussion because if it doesn't support your claims all you do is simply say "oh that is not a valid evidence"
And by the way yes, especially the video clearly proves why Brexit has everything to do with it. You can very clearly hear the man shout "get the fuck out of my country" and "We're not a part of Europe anymore". But you probably didn't even watch it because you don't care about the truth, and you dont even think about changing your opinion.
By the way the "some of my fam" argument, which you abuse so much, was made because you said "you have been fed this "brits are racist" bit by the leftists so now you are acutely sensitive, especially after reading a news article about the issue, incidents that you may not have given a second thought come to the surface as your brain searches for evidence to confirm what you are reading.". I simply said no, this is not what I heard on the street and just started bitching about, this is what I've witnessed myself and have personal experience on. While you got no idea what is going on and just try to justify everything based on your beliefs. It's honestly pathetic and I got no intentions to discuss with you anymore.
This discussion is dead because you can't present a valid evidence against my claims, you can't disprove hundreds upon hundreds of media articles as well as personal statements by simply saying "oh that's not credible source" while presenting 0 sources yourself, and finally you can't mock someone when you got nothing else to say and then expect people to take you seriously.
Overall I've presented my point, I'm happy with what I've said, your arguments haven't changed my mind as they were based on nothing but opinion.
And before you say something, no, I'm not leaving this discussion because I feel defeated. I'm leaving this discussion because by now this is nothing more than just opinionated argument, which isn't healthy for anyone. Discussions are always rotten as soon as they become personal and grudge based. Me staying here and continuing to argue with you would do nothing but make us hate each other, and that is not my intention.
Bye and have a nice day. o7
Anecdotes from facebook posts and tabloids aren't evidence of anything. Generally when you are arguing to prove a point, you cite statistics gathered by a credible institution or studies done on that particular issue by a credible institution, depending on what you are arguing.
Hoss.
