Originally Posted by Slycooper
Yeah, I wouldn't go vegan. This is really terrible, shouldn't this go under investigation? Or ship the male chicks to a friendly place? Maybe a farm.
It's less productive. And because we consume so much, the demand is too high.
A little too much, in my opinion.
If you guys want to see real suffering, look up "3 guys 1 hammer." DO NOT if you are of a nervous disposition, or, just to protect myself, under 18 years of age.
I'm sure these chicks are terrified throughout their whole lives. Yet for those animals who survive past this and into true understanding, what we as humans have finally managed to achieve, it is infinitely more horrible. We can empathize with our fellow creatures, but we will still do whatever it takes to protect our own, for the loss of them would be an infinitely more horrible fate for ourselves.
I'm sure these chicks are terrified throughout their whole lives. Yet for those animals who survive past this and into true understanding, what we as humans have finally managed to achieve, it is infinitely more horrible. We can empathize with our fellow creatures, but we will still do whatever it takes to protect our own, for the loss of them would be an infinitely more horrible fate for ourselves.
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Originally Posted by JoshGrimes
This is why I eat organic beef.I rarely eat beef, but when I do, It's organic.Wild Game FTW.
Too bad that's not what organic means. Organic only means that the animals were not fed artificial hormones or pesticides. Yes, artificial, natural pesticides are OK. A cow could live in a hella crowded barn and be tortured every day and still be certified organic.
Also, about the chickens, I don't have a problem with it. If the end goal is to eat the chickens, what does it matter how they live? Their current method is extremely efficient and humane. Now, if we find a way to make delicious meat without having to raise chickens, that would obviously be better. But until then, this is the best way. Humans are omnivores and we need our meat. Unfortunately this means killing animals, for now.
Originally Posted by caff
I think what loshi was trying to say is that, we are occustom to animals like cows and chickens dieing only in the factory ratherthan the natural way they are meant to die if humans never cultivated them (i.e.: predators, old age, disease) and before you stop and say: OH BUT HUMANS ARE COWS PREDATORS!, ill just say that humans only eat meat because they like the taste and our bodies have become dependant on it, but we arent meant to (refer to my first post in this thread #28 ) so we arent really meant to be their predators anyway.
Wrongo. Humans eat meat because we need the nutrients. This is why we have a biological bias to eat meat. We are omnivores, but we favor meat because it was more difficult to get for the majority of human existance. Meat is also a critical ingredient for human growth and development.
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Really the only way to guarentee that your meat was raised and treated humanely is to buy locally. We buy our beef from a neighbor who owns cattle, and we raise our own chickens.
this isnt possible for everybody, especially not in the city, so yeah. Hence chicken grinders.
this isnt possible for everybody, especially not in the city, so yeah. Hence chicken grinders.
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Originally Posted by caff
why do people get shocked at this stuff but not at the fact that they are putting dead, usually old, meat of chikens,cows and lambs in their mouths everyday?
People say that meat is neccessary for human life, but lets take a step back here. The intestine of carnivorous animals is very short, the meat they eat isn't meant to give them slow burning energy, just boosts of it for rapid hunts/get-aways.
whereas the human intestine is very long, our digestive system is designed to give us energy to perform low-energy tasks for a long period of time. Vegetables and fruit are perfect food for this, and before you jump up and say that vegetarians are usually alot more tired than people who eat meat are I want to point out that this is what is meant to be normal, the people who eat meat have extra (usually uneccessary) energy, plus if you think that not having the energy from the proteins in meat is a problem, its easy enough to take iron tablets.
If you think the procces which delivers the meat to your plates is bad but eating it after isnt then you are very ignorant
This is wrong on so many levels. Intestine length has nothing to do with how your body stores energy. Also protein does not provide a useful amount of energy, it is used by the body as a building material for organs/muscles/etc. Also, herbivores have a constant supply of plant matter to eat, while carnivores usually get one huge meal every week or so(depends on the animal, but you get my point). Logically, this leads to the conclusion that your opinion is completely wrong and that meat gives more sustained energy, while plants give less sustainable energy.
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