Alright, so some guys had ak47's and they mistook a camera for an rpg. No one just walks around with fucking automatic weapons. Just because you are too blind to realize what the fuck is going on over there, and you try to use things like this as an excuse to just hate America doesn't mean everyone is that stupid and gullible.
I don't have to prove my point to you, because even if I do you are to bias to realize what you are doing.
I don't have to prove my point to you, because even if I do you are to bias to realize what you are doing.
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This guy was once a GameMaster
Originally Posted by H4rl3quin
That article is actually about the Iraqi Govt. asking for money. Nowhere does it state that the 1bn has actually been handed over. Also, it clearly states that the cost of repairing all of the damage done by the american invasion would be much higher.
These civilians don't 'run infront of gun fire'. I really hope that you're trolling and you're not actually that ignorant and stupid. Here's a video that should make you ashamed of your country:
by the way - the "rpg'' that they're going on about turned out to be a camera. Those guys were journalists.
A good friend of mine served in Iraq, and is able to explain most of these accidents. His job was to patrol the streets after curfew flyers were dropped from jets, and he saw an old man walking through the streets in the middle of the night. After following him for about 20 minutes, the man, who looked seemingly innocent unveiled a stash of RPGs, and got shot twice in the chest and once in the head, as navy protocol is for hostiles. The law of the land is if they don't die, we do all we can to make sure they live and are not involved in hostile plots. An Iraqi friend of mine was mistaken for a hostile and shot in the shoulder, and when the US troops realized what had happened, they basically gave him a free pass to America, and he was payed some $50K and he is grateful for getting shot that day. Journalists are normally prohibited from being in areas of the war zone. Another story of my friend's, the navy seargant, has to do with journalists, after fliers were dropped. A van with journalists came in, and 3 gentlemen got out with black equiptment. They looked like hostiles and got shot at. One of those guys took a bullet in the thigh. He was compensated for the incident.
The US army, navy and airforce are very responsible institutions, and are not the tyrants you describe. Please broaden your horizons and lose the cynicism, as they are distracting you from understanding that any attack on a country should be responded to. As for "why" Iraq was invaded, Saddam Hussein broke like 17 UN resolutions, and claimed to have weapons of mass destruction. The US called his bluff and killed the bastard. N. Korea is presently in a similar situation, except for the fact that they have weapons of mass destruction available, hence why it is not a war zone. Douglas MacArthur wanted to completely flatten north korea with nukes, and he was removed from his position as army general for having those intentions. Your views of the US are very biased and cynical.
Hoss.
PieGod, you'll notice if you look closely that there were no weapons. Just cameras. Even the dumbest redneck should be able to tell the difference.
Hyde, the point is not that american servicemen are any worse than Europeans, it's that they should never have been there in the first place. Saddam may have been an asshole, but neither him nor the Iraqi people attacked the USA (not to mention that his dictatorship was a lot more stable than Iraq is at the moment). You've also missed the point of the video. It was supposed to demonstrate how little care and attention the Americans put into shooting off their guns at others. I'm sure that compensation is paid out for any injuries, but most of the world puts human life above money, and no amount of cash can pay for murdering civilians.
Only americans believe that america is right on this one. The rest of the world disagrees, probably because we're a bit more grown up and don't glorify war anymore.
Hyde, the point is not that american servicemen are any worse than Europeans, it's that they should never have been there in the first place. Saddam may have been an asshole, but neither him nor the Iraqi people attacked the USA (not to mention that his dictatorship was a lot more stable than Iraq is at the moment). You've also missed the point of the video. It was supposed to demonstrate how little care and attention the Americans put into shooting off their guns at others. I'm sure that compensation is paid out for any injuries, but most of the world puts human life above money, and no amount of cash can pay for murdering civilians.
Only americans believe that america is right on this one. The rest of the world disagrees, probably because we're a bit more grown up and don't glorify war anymore.
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
I don' know how reliable this source is but it seems that the US just went in and slaughtered the people of Iraq.
This thread might as well be closed if no one can bring new information about the significance of Bin Jaden's death
I don' know how reliable this source is but it seems that the US just went in and slaughtered the people of Iraq.
This thread might as well be closed if no one can bring new information about the significance of Bin Jaden's death
Originally Posted by Hyde
... Attempting to wave away deaths of civilians by saying "some of them are bad so they shoot all of them" ...
I like the video where the journalists are just walking in the street, this time they don't even have a camera, and it is not in a prohibited area. Then the gunner just shoots them all for no apparent reason. As one of them is crawling away after being shit, he is muttering something along the lines of "just give me a reason to shoot you again".
Are US military closer to animals or people? Who can truly say.
Protip: The US military refused to charge any of their own troops with war crimes, despite overwhelming evidence of murder of civilians, scorched earth, torture, etc. Is that the "very responsible institution" you are referring to?
Not sure if you are trolling or really this naive...
Originally Posted by Hippybob
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
I don' know how reliable this source is but it seems that the US just went in and slaughtered the people of Iraq.
It is quite accurate, I have seen similar figures before.
In the opening days of the war the US bombed the city indiscriminately. Then that they attacked civilian targets under the excuse that terrorists just look like regular people.
After that they would simply shoot anyone that they didn't like, as Hyde said, they didn't want to give their enemy any possibility of fighting back, so often they would shoot anyone they could find.
They also set up road blocks and check points around the city, the Iraqis naturally didn't like that, and many were killed as they tried to flee the slaughter in the capital.
The US's main problem is that they do not recognize the Iraq has civilians. As far as they are concerned, all Iraqis are hostile combatants.
In short, yes, the US killed as many as they could find, 30x as many civilians than soldiers.
Last edited by Gorman; Aug 4, 2011 at 03:05 AM.
