I've never been one to care about this topic as other political topics are more important, but I guess I'm against abortion unless you were raped.
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Why?
Answer dat.
Originally Posted by sireal
Say your working a fulltime job, already have 2 kids and your husband's fucked off. You're completely full blown the whole time, with almost no time to relax. You're not getting paid enough for the work you're doing and you can barely afford food for your family. You go out on your off day and have some fun, ends up being a one night stand. Except you forgot to use protection and you're pregnant now.
What's better, having a child that will not be able to eat enough food, and can't be taken care of most of the time, or having an abortion to momentarily fix your mistake.
If you know you can't have a proper environment for a child to live in - food to eat, clothes, taken care of, then I think you should be able to choose whether you have this child or not.
Answer dat.
Here is my counter to those saying that it's the woman's choice:
When the woman chooses to abort their child because of any number of inconveniences, it is unethical. In cases of rape and life or death for the mother or child, it is up to the medical professionals and the mother.
I say that when a woman chooses to abort the child is unethical because she puts her conveniences over much more objective functions, such as life. No, it is not murder, simply by virtue that the fetus is not living. It is the ceasing of the fetus' becoming alive.
I don't want to rewrite my post again, but I implore all those abortion proponents to read it:
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...49&postcount=8
When the woman chooses to abort their child because of any number of inconveniences, it is unethical. In cases of rape and life or death for the mother or child, it is up to the medical professionals and the mother.
I say that when a woman chooses to abort the child is unethical because she puts her conveniences over much more objective functions, such as life. No, it is not murder, simply by virtue that the fetus is not living. It is the ceasing of the fetus' becoming alive.
I don't want to rewrite my post again, but I implore all those abortion proponents to read it:
http://forum.toribash.com/showpost.p...49&postcount=8
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"Medical professionals" and the mother? Contributing this thread because I've seen it up for a while, and it's bumped. I don't see how life is an 'objective function', as you so deftly put it, but I suppose that is a matter of opinion.
I saw your post saying it is a trap, and I agree, to a certain extent. Obviously it is extremely subjective, depending on your viewpoint, opinionbabble, etc.
The arguments involving speaking about how fetus's develop, on both sides I, personally, find completely invalid. Let's say *insert anti-abortion fact here*. What seems so evident to me is the fact that the morality of this fact is subjective. You, on your high moral ground of a first world country might so disgustingly defend against people's private business, while you are inadvertently, or purposefully, discouraging those less fortunate to do the smart thing and remove those cancerous diseases we call fetuses.
So, involving morality of ethics makes me pretty much believe you are and idiot. On a utilitarian scale, I'd say that it is the way to go. Faq, I don't think what China's doing is a bad idea.
When you see these faqing single mothers with multiple children (in Amurika), living off the government, and simultaneously complaining about thus, you might feel a certain sense of what I generally feel. And that isn't inane, opinionated psychobabble. You can see these people on the streets.
I guess I'll at this point get sucked into the conversation, until I get fed up and leave.
</pretentious_noob's_opinion>
More ranting:
Someone above me said "they *guess* abortion is wrong, unless someone were raped".
The simple fact of the matter is defining something as intrinsically unethical in all cases in pure folly. It depends on the situation, I'd say.
And I hope this post follows guidelines; I'm a bit passionate about moral subjectivity.
I saw your post saying it is a trap, and I agree, to a certain extent. Obviously it is extremely subjective, depending on your viewpoint, opinionbabble, etc.
The arguments involving speaking about how fetus's develop, on both sides I, personally, find completely invalid. Let's say *insert anti-abortion fact here*. What seems so evident to me is the fact that the morality of this fact is subjective. You, on your high moral ground of a first world country might so disgustingly defend against people's private business, while you are inadvertently, or purposefully, discouraging those less fortunate to do the smart thing and remove those cancerous diseases we call fetuses.
So, involving morality of ethics makes me pretty much believe you are and idiot. On a utilitarian scale, I'd say that it is the way to go. Faq, I don't think what China's doing is a bad idea.
When you see these faqing single mothers with multiple children (in Amurika), living off the government, and simultaneously complaining about thus, you might feel a certain sense of what I generally feel. And that isn't inane, opinionated psychobabble. You can see these people on the streets.
I guess I'll at this point get sucked into the conversation, until I get fed up and leave.
</pretentious_noob's_opinion>
More ranting:
Someone above me said "they *guess* abortion is wrong, unless someone were raped".
The simple fact of the matter is defining something as intrinsically unethical in all cases in pure folly. It depends on the situation, I'd say.
And I hope this post follows guidelines; I'm a bit passionate about moral subjectivity.
Last edited by Vast; Apr 8, 2012 at 10:13 AM.
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