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Originally Posted by Samule View Post
yes. its your country

O cool then. Hey Samule you wanna come visit my country?
"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend."
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*breaks door*
Originally Posted by Juntalis View Post
OH HELLO GUYS.

Here's an idea, albeit a bit racy and unique: Maybe, JUST maybe, arguing about a tragedy that occurred seven years ago isn't the best way to garnish a reform in the government. Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn, but PERHAPS the government doesn't care what a bunch of people on a forum centered around a PC game think, especially since a majority of them are not of legal voting age. Maybe instead of bitching about arguing, you should go out into the real world and try to express your views, accumulate people who follow your beliefs, and try and get those necessary reforms. Either that, or leave the country.

With that said, while it is believable that a government would blatantly lie to trick a country (see the English receiving a "transmission" back in World War I or II, I think. That's how the US got into the war), there's no proof that the government was at all involved. On the contrary, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest the opposite. If you actually think that George W Bush is smart enough to plan out something this devious, then you're stupider than he is.

I think this douchebag is onto something.

Edit: I just viewed your win to loss ratio Juntalis; I think I pissed myself laughing.
What the heck does his win rate on a game mean to a serious topic? He could be helluva lot smarter than you are.
Christmas Ghost Humans do not value their existence.
Originally Posted by uloveme View Post
Omg Just close this We have our own beliefs on what happened your a totally bitch for bringing this up to upset people.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wouldn't want to let things like FACTS get in the way of your beliefs.
Originally Posted by Clbck View Post
Oh, I'm sorry. I wouldn't want to let things like FACTS get in the way of your beliefs.

Belief is a fact in itself, it can change the world by itself, and all it takes is someone willing to put enough into it to work.
Christmas Ghost Humans do not value their existence.
Time to spice this topic up again

Originally Posted by Juntalis View Post
OH HELLO GUYS.

Here's an idea, albeit a bit racy and unique: Maybe, JUST maybe, arguing about a tragedy that occurred seven years ago isn't the best way to garnish a reform in the government. Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn, but PERHAPS the government doesn't care what a bunch of people on a forum centered around a PC game think, especially since a majority of them are not of legal voting age. Maybe instead of bitching about arguing, you should go out into the real world and try to express your views, accumulate people who follow your beliefs, and try and get those necessary reforms. Either that, or leave the country.

Well, arguing is interesting. Maybe not so much on this forum, but since it was brought up....why not :P
You don't really have to get into politics to have 'some' impact. (blog, podcast, website, a column in a newspaper, a post on political forum...) It all pales in comparison to actually getting high up into politics, but it's something.

With that said, while it is believable that a government would blatantly lie to trick a country (see the English receiving a "transmission" back in World War I or II, I think. That's how the US got into the war), there's no proof that the government was at all involved. On the contrary, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest the opposite. If you actually think that George W Bush is smart enough to plan out something this devious, then you're stupider than he is.

Any inquisitive person can't help but try to apply deductive method for themselves: who benefits the most? who needs this?

If (for example) Bush administration really did orchestrate 9/11, what concrete evidence could possibly present itself in this case? A tape with secret meeting of Bush administration?

Here's a quote from Michel Chossudovsky, a writer from globalresearch.ca (independent site)

"The myth of the "outside enemy" and the threat of "Islamic terrorists" was the cornerstone of the Bush administration’s military doctrine, used as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the repeal of civil liberties and constitutional government in America.

Without an "outside enemy", there could be no "war on terrorism". The entire national security agenda would collapse "like a deck of cards". The war criminals in high office would have no leg to stand on.

It was consequently crucial for the development of a coherent antiwar and civil rights movement, to reveal the nature of Al Qaeda and its evolving relationship to successive US administrations. Amply documented but rarely mentioned by the mainstream media, Al Qaeda was a creation of the CIA going back to the Soviet-Afghan war. This was a known fact, corroborated by numerous sources including official documents of the US Congress. The intelligence community had time and again acknowledged that they had indeed supported Osama bin Laden, but that in the wake of the Cold War: "he turned against us"."


This article I'm posting is just to give insight to some people on why many think 9/11 was suspicious.
Of course, at the end, you will probably just believe what you are most comfortable with, as is the case with people most of the time.
Last edited by Odlov; Sep 2, 2008 at 01:00 AM.
Originally Posted by Samule View Post
OH NOW YOU'RE CALLING HIM FOREIGN?!
You bastard.

In that phrase, I am quite positive "foreign ideas" refers to ideas that are not my own.

*BOOT TO THE HEAD!*
Originally Posted by Juntalis View Post
Only noobs have a good win/loss. Everyone knows that the old fights are all ranked as losses. Considering I was a 2nd dan for the first 1.5 years I was here, and only recently started playing enough to reach 3rd dan, it's safe to say that my win/loss is very inaccurate.

So in other words, bullshit. Right?

Edit~ There is no way in HELL I'm going to read that, I'm too tired, and you aren't important enough. Gtfo sir.